Day 12. Alive or dead?

LegbarMama

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I started with 8 eggs and I am down to 2. This is my first time incubating. The first one has veins but they can only be seen if I candle from the top. Do yall think it is still developing?
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This is the second one. It had visible veins a couple days ago but I think it may have stopped developing.
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Sorry the pictures are not very clear. They are blue eggs and I only have a flashlight.
 

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No, I am turning manually. 3 times a day. They were shipped eggs so I am incubating them with the pointy side down.
 

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