To me, the best word to exchange for "sport" is "mutation". That's the way the Delaware breed started, an unexpected white bird from a NH/BR mating.
Definition of "Splash"
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Tailfeathers, I am not sure why you would want to get involved in that discussion in the first place. Don't mean to sound rude here but contridicting someone under the circumstances sound sort of confrontational.
As mentioned breeders are constantly working on new varieties with many different breeds. We have lots of such projects going on here at BYC now.
Welsummers are indeed most commonly known to be a partridge type of plumage but if someone wanted to breed a blue one it is not impossible and then the Splash would be the next obvious outcome. A Blue bird that laid mahogony eggs would be pretty cool in my opinion. Who am I to say it could not be done.
As mentioned breeders are constantly working on new varieties with many different breeds. We have lots of such projects going on here at BYC now.
Welsummers are indeed most commonly known to be a partridge type of plumage but if someone wanted to breed a blue one it is not impossible and then the Splash would be the next obvious outcome. A Blue bird that laid mahogony eggs would be pretty cool in my opinion. Who am I to say it could not be done.
I know someone in UK who has made blue duckwing wellies. Sounds nice to me.
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Thank Sonoran. That is exactly what I thought. I believe what is being called a Splash is actually a Sport. I just wanted to have my ducks in a row before I said anything.
Jimnjay, I will just say that I don't believe confrontation is necessarily a bad thing. In fact, one of the biggest problems in this Society today is that folks are afraid to "confront" someone with the truth. I believe it was Winston Churchhill who said, "The only thing necessary for Evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Certainly a discussion on chickesn is not equating the war between Good and Evil but the point is, false information - in fact much bad information - is promulgated because the truth never gets stated. If one confronts another in the right way, the truth is usually appreciated by the recipient.
As I see it, one could breed a Splash to a Splash and know that they would get a Splash. However, the same cannot be said for breeding two Sports. I was just wondering if there was an authoritative souce I could point someone to where this has been documented just in case the subject should come up.
God Bless,
Jimnjay, I will just say that I don't believe confrontation is necessarily a bad thing. In fact, one of the biggest problems in this Society today is that folks are afraid to "confront" someone with the truth. I believe it was Winston Churchhill who said, "The only thing necessary for Evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Certainly a discussion on chickesn is not equating the war between Good and Evil but the point is, false information - in fact much bad information - is promulgated because the truth never gets stated. If one confronts another in the right way, the truth is usually appreciated by the recipient.
As I see it, one could breed a Splash to a Splash and know that they would get a Splash. However, the same cannot be said for breeding two Sports. I was just wondering if there was an authoritative souce I could point someone to where this has been documented just in case the subject should come up.
God Bless,
A sport is most generally an unexpected or non typical result, often a result of a spontaneous mutation.
The accurate description of a 'splash' is as David described but there are other birds with different genotypes which are, reasonably frequently, inaccurately described as 'splash'
The accurate description of a 'splash' is as David described but there are other birds with different genotypes which are, reasonably frequently, inaccurately described as 'splash'
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I'm gathering that you believe it cannot be splash (Bl/Bl) because it appeared spontaneously with no indication of blue in either parent?
Seems like a test breeding to a known splash or black would unequivacably prove that it is or is not splash, as the results would be 100% splash in the first pairing or 100% blue in the 2nd.
Other than recessive white in two copies, I can't think of any gene that would hide blue, although blue can be very dark and be mistaken for black, but genetically it should act like blue.
Seems like a test breeding to a known splash or black would unequivacably prove that it is or is not splash, as the results would be 100% splash in the first pairing or 100% blue in the 2nd.
Other than recessive white in two copies, I can't think of any gene that would hide blue, although blue can be very dark and be mistaken for black, but genetically it should act like blue.
As I see it, one could breed a Splash to a Splash and know that they would get a Splash. However, the same cannot be said for breeding two Sports.
The use of the word 'sports' is rather ambiguous in this context. Any mutation could have been considered a 'sport' at some time. If a 'sport' is bred with another 'sport' of the same genotype they would breed true.
The use of the word 'sports' is rather ambiguous in this context. Any mutation could have been considered a 'sport' at some time. If a 'sport' is bred with another 'sport' of the same genotype they would breed true.
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Yes, that is correct. The parents of the chick in question supposedly came from pure Welsummers.
A new, recent, and important fact has just came to light. The person who has the Welsummers who had the totally blonde looking chick, just informed us that she got her birds from a lady who got her birds from another lady who got those birds from two different hatcheries.
Plus she posted pictures of the blonde chicks along with three other "normal" looking Welsummer chicks. The pictures, coupled with the new information about hatchery birds being in their ancestry, pretty much convince me that they are the result of something other than a random mutation let alone a Splash.
My Welsummer breeder, who was one of the original five breeders, has hatched thousands of chicks and he's never seen a Splash Welsummer. Nor a Sport.
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If we are defining "Sport" as a random, spontaneous genetic mutation, I don't see how the above would hold true. If we are defining "Sport" as an unexpected recessive gene suddenly surfacing, it would seem to me that there would still be a percentage chance of it not breeding true. I'd have to go back and figure out on my Genetics Probability Calculator thing I found what the likelihood is but I can't see how it would be 100%.
God Bless,
Yes, that is correct. The parents of the chick in question supposedly came from pure Welsummers.
A new, recent, and important fact has just came to light. The person who has the Welsummers who had the totally blonde looking chick, just informed us that she got her birds from a lady who got her birds from another lady who got those birds from two different hatcheries.
Plus she posted pictures of the blonde chicks along with three other "normal" looking Welsummer chicks. The pictures, coupled with the new information about hatchery birds being in their ancestry, pretty much convince me that they are the result of something other than a random mutation let alone a Splash.
My Welsummer breeder, who was one of the original five breeders, has hatched thousands of chicks and he's never seen a Splash Welsummer. Nor a Sport.
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If we are defining "Sport" as a random, spontaneous genetic mutation, I don't see how the above would hold true. If we are defining "Sport" as an unexpected recessive gene suddenly surfacing, it would seem to me that there would still be a percentage chance of it not breeding true. I'd have to go back and figure out on my Genetics Probability Calculator thing I found what the likelihood is but I can't see how it would be 100%.
God Bless,
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The term sport is archaic and originated prior to the advent of genetics. Tradition has it that it derived in !7th & 18th century England where the young landed gentry would go "sporting" on their estates. That was having their way with any female servant or tenants wife. If any otherwise unexpected birth resulted it was known as a "Sport".
This then became common usage for any unexpected progeny, white calf from two roan cattle, white chicken from two coloured ones.
Unfortunately it is still with us, and still used by those that can not explain the results they sometimes get.
Splash (from Blue) is a shortened version of 'White splashed with blue' or in the case of Dun, 'White splashed with Dun'.
David
This then became common usage for any unexpected progeny, white calf from two roan cattle, white chicken from two coloured ones.
Unfortunately it is still with us, and still used by those that can not explain the results they sometimes get.
Splash (from Blue) is a shortened version of 'White splashed with blue' or in the case of Dun, 'White splashed with Dun'.
David
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