Denagard & Ivermectin- How To Do This

[jlwquilter]

The past couple of day I’ve seen the neck stretching and gaping. Also a leghorn developed the black sores on her face (not in her mouth) so maybe fowl pox and not CRD/MG...? Gave her Tylan. Tonight the Denagard arrived.

When I locked the chickens up I checked 5 of the hens. Angel (who I skipped over as she has her own thread and whose issue was impacted crop) has zero signs of lesions, plaques, etc. She does have one raised black spot on her comb, poopy butt and sick poops. She also is not eating or drinking enough. She ate a little cooked chicken yesterday and some mealworms. Her crop feels empty all the time except right after I force feed her. I have pics of her from tonight and will post them shortly.

Crystal. I could have sworn she had plaque or the beginning of the lesions returning this afternoon. But I did not see anything when I checked her mouth and throat tonight. Maybe it was feed stuck in her mouth at the time...? I do not recall Crystal doing the neck stretchy thing either. A funny thing about Crystal is her coloring. Sometimes she looks really pale. Then a few minutes later her color is good. I’ve watched her closely and swear I‘ve actually seen her color come on - like she’d be blushing if she were human. Is this possible? Not the blushing (haha) but the color n the face coming and going??

Buffy, Raven and Daisy. All definitely did the neck stretchy thing, Buffy and Raven way more than Daisy. However tonight none had any beak, mouth or throat abnormalities at all. They also did not have any black spots on their combs, wattles, etc. I do want to recheck Raven in the morning as I’m pretty sure I say bumps forming around her eye area earlier today - which says fowl pox to me. Minnie - the pullet that died - also had bumps around her eye which I thought was pox - which lessened over the course of a week or so.

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[Wyorp Rock]

O.k. Now after reading all that.
I agree with @dawg53 in post #6 it sounds like you are dealing with Fowl Pox instead of Mycoplasma.
Fowl Pox is a virus. While the Tylan may help if there is a secondary infection somewhere, a virus has to run it's course. Denagard is really formulated to treat Mycoplasma which is a bacterial.
I quickly looked back and you did have postings for Fowl Pox with the lesions.
The one that had pus in the eye that was sunken, that's a possibility is could be Mycoplasma or Fowl Pox related, especially if she had lesions in the beak.

You have had a lot going on. Sometimes when you have birds from multiple sources that can compound problems.

It's really hard to know which way you should go, that's for sure. The one you have on Tylan I would finish that since it's not good to cut antibiotic treatment short.
As for starting the Denagard, I'm just not that sure.

Any way you can get some testing to find out if they have respiratory illness?

 

[jlwquilter]

Pics of Angel tonight: Angel shows no sign of CRD. Her ailment was the impacted crop. But she’s not bouncing back. I’m at a loss as to what’s wrong with her.

I don’t know how to get these in the order I want - sorry. Basically these are reversed order but it is what it is.

This her her rear end/vent. She was/still is in molt. Her feathers are growing in and doing better now that Cruella is in jail for feather picking her.

Bad picture of her vent:

Sick looking poop. I fed her scrambled egg and water twice today.She seems to weigh about the same .

Inside her mouth I saw no sign of lesions or plaque

She has green stuff on her foot and bottom of her foot. Some wiped off. Some didn’t. I’m thinking it’s her sick poop. But here’s some discolored places on her leg and toe. It’s just in one leg.

Here’s her face and eye. Looks ok to me.

Here’s the raised black spot on her comb. That seems more like the pox right? It is raised so probably not a peck wound although it could be. You can see it’s thebinly one she has.

I just don’t know what’s wrong with her now that the crop isn’t impacted. Maybe it’s something further down the track? All I can think to do is feed and water her until she gets better or dies. Oh, I can give her vitamins now that the Corid is done with. Any other suggestions??

 

[jlwquilter]

O.k. Now after reading all that.
I agree with @dawg53 in post #6 it sounds like you are dealing with Fowl Pox instead of Mycoplasma.
Fowl Pox is a virus. While the Tylan may help if there is a secondary infection somewhere, a virus has to run it's course. Denagard is really formulated to treat Mycoplasma which is a bacterial.
I quickly looked back and you did have postings for Fowl Pox with the lesions.
The one that had pus in the eye that was sunken, that's a possibility is could be Mycoplasma or Fowl Pox related, especially if she had lesions in the beak.

You have had a lot going on. Sometimes when you have birds from multiple sources that can compound problems.

It's really hard to know which way you should go, that's for sure. The one you have on Tylan I would finish that since it's not good to cut antibiotic treatment short.
As for starting the Denagard, I'm just not that sure.

Any way you can get some testing to find out if they have respiratory illness?

I think I may have both CRD/MG and Fowl pox happening in different birds. I think the leghorn with the face spots might be pox. But Sicilia was poxnfirst then recently CRD (her eyes). Penny and Crystal both responded well to the Tylan- and healed up. So... more likely CRD/MG right?

And Dawg think the neck stretchers are probably pox with no other visible symptoms.

I’ll take pics of several more hens tomorrow when it’s at least day out.

Other than the stress and bad behaviors the 10 new hens has brought - which was terrible - I think the pox happened here and then spread. And I did the dumb stuff that made CRD a virtual certainty.

I did call that vet - they are closed on Wednesday! I’ll call in the morning or better yet try to go over in person. It’ll be worth the drive to be taken seriously and try to work something out for getting at least some testing done.

 

[jlwquilter]

I am eager to take in all suggestions as to what’s going on and ideas to deal with it. Hopefully more pictures of hens will allow for identifying who has what so I can treat or at least monitor health status.

I’m getting concerned about Cinders. She’s always laid even when the RIRs were terrorizing everyone. But she hasn’t laid for 2 days now. Big worry! She’s a roadrunner chicken - very fast and very smart. I’m going to have to get lucky to catch her.

 

[jlwquilter]

O.k. Now after reading all that.
I agree with @dawg53 The one that had pus in the eye that was sunken, that's a possibility is could be Mycoplasma or Fowl Pox related, especially if she had lesions in the beak.

That’s Sicilia who was the first one sick with what I think was fowl pox. She had no lesions in or around her beak/mouth. Also did not see anything new anywhere else on her. It was the eye issues only. She showed 99% improvement after the gunk was removed and eyes flushed out with super saline solution several times. She’s looking great now and acting normal - although she hasn’t returned to laying. She laid that one egg after being sick the first time - but that was right when the new hen additions occurred.

So pus in the eyes can be either MG or fowl pox??

 

[jlwquilter]

Some good morning news: Angel came out with the flock for morning chow. Not all the way to the feed pan but well into the run. She hasn’t done that in days.

Cinders is actively looking for a place to lay. She’s always been picky and routinely finds her own place (although she does sometimes choose a nesting box). I don’t want to be catching hens to take pics and causing stress until after she lays.

 

[jlwquilter]

Here’s the leghorn with the bad lesions. It’s very similar in how it was on Penny and Crystal. She’s getting Tylan for 2 days now. I remember she had the big lesion and also 2 small ones. The small ones have either dropped off or merged with the big one.

 

[jlwquilter]

I just took video of Angel doing the neck stretchy thing. This is the first time I’ve seen her do it.

How do I post video?

 

[jlwquilter]

Lily and Ruby are also neck stretching. Lily shakes her head a bit after. Ruby doesn’t shake her head at all. Now Buffy is doing it with the head shake. Buffy already laid this morning.