Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

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I am a scientist at heart and research the dickens out of anything I do.

I tend to get annoyed with people here that offer opinion as fact. Their ignorance is not only damaging their birds but the birds of others as well as the integrity of the site.

I do like your info. I will try and find data to support your statements. Bees declines really concern me.
same here, i try to prove everything with science and math - but i dont have a good method of "control". i can tell you the observations i have made on my flock with certain changes, and when it comes to feed and medications - i will test different things on a certain group of chickens before i commit my whole flock to it.

as far as scientific facts to prove medications and modern feeding methods we have to look at the whole picture. you will find all kinds of proof in the lack of nutrition in modern growing methods, whether its GMO or Heritage. here in the U.S. we have to feed alot more people on alot less land. The GMO products produce more, and sometimes better tasting products.
lets think about strawberries, not always - but as a rule of thumb the smaller ones are sweeter than the larger ones from the same plant. most plants somewhat evenly distribute nutrients to all parts, the larger berry didnt get any less sugar, but with its larger mass the sugar is more diluted. the same thing may be happening with GMO products.
most commercial farmers will fertilize with basic fertilizers containing nitrogen, phosphorus, and potash. occasionally they will add chelated (spelling) iron. they don't replenish several other nutrients in the soil such as: gold, molybendium, chromium, and gypsum. people wonder why the bloom end of a tomato goes black, most of the time its lack of calcium in the soil. with better plant nutrition may come better feed conversion, but a severely increased price.

also keep in mind companies like mereck and monsanto are only going to prove with statistics that work for them. if you dig deep enough you may even find lawsuits where someone spoke against them. statistics are easy to "alter" by changing a simple fact. if you take a lab rat and inject it with enough saline or distilled water, i promise you it will have adverse reactions. you take that same lab rat and inject it with arsnic at a small and diluted level, it may not be affected.

for all of these reasons, i encourage people to experiment and share their experiences. i typically dont trust corporate research, and im not sure how far i trust most politicians. if we cant trust each other, who can we trust?
 
loveourbirds- thank you for answering
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I am enjoying this discussion

While I am open to data - the garbage propaganda from momsacrossamerica is pure garbage. What the faculty is the measurement of ERGS for energy?? what the heck is a brix? ( It's a unit of measure that includes taste and nutrition that is an impression made up by a quack who was arrested for practicing medicine without a license in Georgia,)

These units of measure are bologna. The data is flawed. It carries the danger that soccer moms all across America will buy into it. Scientists in Italy that if you Google their names will come up with bibliographies of scientific research they have published - not quack alerts
 
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Well, it had to happen - hatches have been going too well. My Marans cross that pipped earlier is still OK, but its clear now that she pipped below the air cell and through a vein. She is very active though so that is a good sign. I went ahead and chipped a little hole in the top to see how her membrane looked and I can still see a big vein across the top so she is having to stay put regardless of all her shouting. The other two eggs that are pipped look fine though so just waiting and waiting once again :D
 
the last one is not related to moms across america. its basically the same data, but a side by side comparison. i did notice however it mentions two side by side farms who planted and harvested with similar methods, but never mentions the nutrients possibly fed during the growing seasons - it also fails to mention if either of them turned their soils, used soil amendments, or planted cover crops.

again any information can be added or left out to change the outcome when statistics are used.


i cannot say what im doing is right with the corn, but most of the older farmers here tell me there is a huge difference in it. my goal is simply to grow the most nutritious, non GMO, open pollinated corn i can to see how much it changes my feed. corn makes up about half its content, i consider that the base ingredient - it only makes since to try to improve on it.

this is basically the plan:
plow and disk the soil, removing any large rocks.
plant a nitrogen rich covercrop
till in spring
take a soil sample to a local nursery for testing. i think most extension offices can do it too.
amend the soil with recommended amounts of nitrogen, phosphorus and potash.
also amend the soil with an organic micro-nutrient called "Rich Earth". we used it in a nursery i worked at, and i loved it.
for insecticide im planning on using homemade nicotine spray, pyretherins as a backup plan.
cover lightly with decomposed chicken manure in the fall and re-till in spring.

the soil has not had roundup applied for the last 10 or more years.

i will do my best to share the dates when i switch, maybe the weight of a couple of pens when i start and 1 month later. along with any differences in consumption of the feed. however i cant control when a molt hits, and most chickens will gain weight before winter.
 
the last one is not related to moms across america. its basically the same data, but a side by side comparison. i did notice however it mentions two side by side farms who planted and harvested with similar methods, but never mentions the nutrients possibly fed during the growing seasons - it also fails to mention if either of them turned their soils, used soil amendments, or planted cover crops.

again any information can be added or left out to change the outcome when statistics are used.


i cannot say what im doing is right with the corn, but most of the older farmers here tell me there is a huge difference in it. my goal is simply to grow the most nutritious, non GMO, open pollinated corn i can to see how much it changes my feed. corn makes up about half its content, i consider that the base ingredient - it only makes since to try to improve on it.

this is basically the plan:
plow and disk the soil, removing any large rocks.
plant a nitrogen rich covercrop
till in spring
take a soil sample to a local nursery for testing. i think most extension offices can do it too.
amend the soil with recommended amounts of nitrogen, phosphorus and potash.
also amend the soil with an organic micro-nutrient called "Rich Earth". we used it in a nursery i worked at, and i loved it.
for insecticide im planning on using homemade nicotine spray, pyretherins as a backup plan.
cover lightly with decomposed chicken manure in the fall and re-till in spring.

the soil has not had roundup applied for the last 10 or more years.

i will do my best to share the dates when i switch, maybe the weight of a couple of pens when i start and 1 month later. along with any differences in consumption of the feed. however i cant control when a molt hits, and most chickens will gain weight before winter.

It sure sounds worth trying.

When we moved to a farm when I was 14 everything was fertilized with superphosphate. An old timer told me that what we really needed was nitrogen - but actually we were deficient in sulfa. If we were to do pasture improvement with sulfa, it would stimulate the legumes such as clover and they would provide the nitrogen needed by native grasses. At the time aerial spraying of high percentage sulfa was banned because of bad data suggesting risks to the planes. At 15 years of age I took on the Australian Govt with an essay I submitted to the Land newspaper. I ended up being interviewed and fielded all sorts of calls on my research.

It took 12 months of lobbying but we won. We had a plane drop 80% sulfa and 20% super on our hilly 1000 acres. The results were instant but lasted the next 10 years, with our farm being the greenest land in the area. Clover grew everywhere which then enriched our soil with nitrogen. We did use super with 45% sulfa on our tillable land each year and had the best grazing oats, passpallum and alfalfa you could imagine.

there was no such thing as RR soy back then
 
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