Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[rbaker0345]

I want to try that in-ovo feeding, it sounds cool. I might try it on some of my bresse.

Anyway, I came on to present a picture and ask if anyone has seen this before. I had a silkie hatch (on his own, in 15% humidity) and he got out of that egg and sat right up and looked perfectly bright and alert. But when I went to betadine his umbillicus, I noticed that it was attached way up near his thorax, just a little bit under his ribs. It looked more like an opening than a navel and I could see his heart pumping through the membranes (or maybe it was just a major artery). It has closed up now and scabbed over, but his breathing is fast and shallow, though he seems about as bright and alert as his hatch mates. Here's a picture, if anyone can tell me what they think might happen or have happened to him.

 

[Gardeningmama]

PUT duckies into a reg cooler the ones with the big yellow area on the bottom are loosing way too much weight, actually my average pulled high because of those three! 18.5% day 21 average. I think they look good visually to be honest! Except the bottoms and yellow!! ughhh

I need at least 55% humidity for them, they have been at 38-40% a few days and they are still loosing too much now. Plus I had to start the dehumidifier down there its getting musty cold, room was up to 45% this am.

Some are drawing down fast since this morning!

Day 21 (last duckies internally pipped day 19-20 I think, have to find those posts)

I will keep watching for internals and then put it up to at least 65%
note the second image, you can see the lines I drew on some of them where that chorionic membrane didnt reach the bottom of the shells.... I will also take pics of all that dont hatch, or just a video so I can turn them and show what I have going on. dont want to mess with them now.

I dont have much faith after noticing the bottoms, I am so sad about it, part of me wishes I never would have candled the bottoms, and part of me is wondering if it was the wiggles from trying to sand them twice throughout? bummed that it could be my fault, I should have sanded them right away, but I didnt know, I feel like I killed them already! ughhh

My two babies are growing fast, and they sure love dandelion greens! when do you think I can put them in an inch or two of water to try to swim and clean themselves? I cant believe how clean they are in the brooder yet! they are what two weeks old! hmmm are they already? good grief I forget! I usually write hatch dates on brooders with dry erase markers, but I thought I would remember those!

With ancona I was ready to throw them out of the house by now LOL!

Sally, on 4/28 you posted on my board that they were hatching, 2 were out and working on 1. So, they probably hatched on 4/27?

 

[Sally Sunshine]

7:30 PM two more internal pips!

I added very hot tap water to a spray bottle and sprayed one side of bator for instant humidity to candle.

so three eggies have internals, but one beak doesnt look as clear and defined, meaning its high up but I am thinking it may have the membrane on the beak yet, so that one will also get checked later on.

4 in cabinet are still not ready for lockdown, one is looking close!

DAY 21 another two are drawing down and pushing up the back!
Put them into the cooler with 55% humidity





This was a video of draw down and push up (protrusion) at the rear of the air cell, you can really see how much they draw down! as that orange line was from yesterday!

THE GOOD NEWS! the one that I thought was dying is still alive!!! but remains like the other four eggs, waiting for draw down!

INTERNAL PIP 1 @ 2:00 PM! Nothing like seeing that curved shadow in the egg!!!!

Upped humidity to 70% as air cells look big now, dropped temp to 99

one step closer for one egg,
ughhhh this is gonna be a long three or maybe four next days!

Four eggs still remain in the cabinet, all are still showing movement, and noted that two others began to FINALLY draw down below that day 18 pencil line this afternoon.... the other two only show slight decrease in weight loss.

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4/27/14 at 6:57am

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A ducky has hatched on its own, it had goop hanging which was normal but it also had a blob of that yellow gel like substance in the bator.

I candled the two that had internals, last night I created tiny holes in the top of their shells because I didnt want them to suffocate and went off the timing of the first internal pip, one ducky was dead in shell, a pretty black one pipped and veins look like they were receding well but it was dead as if it didnt have the effort to get out. The other remaining internal pipped egg, I did investigate, still not ready but alive.

one other egg in the bator uninternally pipped is still moving, the others look dead to me, two in the cabinet one looks dead the other I saw little movement but it hastnt drawn down.

Big bummer, I have done everything I could for these eggs, the ducks are huge for that size of egg, even with the weight loss achieved it still wasnt enough.

I need to research this breed and see if we can breed back to something else to help its genetics, as I am fairly sure its just that.

Any other suggestions to getting weight loss in the next batch up to about 15-16% anyone? shout out! I am upping heat a bit in the cabinet, but not enough I will kill everything. spot checking it often.


I am rambling and I am sad for these babies, I am going to try even harder with the next batch, and if the same happens again I think we are pretty much sure its all genetics.

Pictures later, I dont want to mess with the bator at all for these guys, I did well with sitting on my hands

4/28/14 at 7:31am

 

[Sally Sunshine]

I like the stripey eggs Sally, very art nouveau, nihlist easter motif.

I know right! ha ha ha

I want to try that in-ovo feeding, it sounds cool. I might try it on some of my bresse.

Anyway, I came on to present a picture and ask if anyone has seen this before. I had a silkie hatch (on his own, in 15% humidity) and he got out of that egg and sat right up and looked perfectly bright and alert. But when I went to betadine his umbillicus, I noticed that it was attached way up near his thorax, just a little bit under his ribs. It looked more like an opening than a navel and I could see his heart pumping through the membranes (or maybe it was just a major artery). It has closed up now and scabbed over, but his breathing is fast and shallow, though he seems about as bright and alert as his hatch mates. Here's a picture, if anyone can tell me what they think might happen or have happened to him.

if your house is 60% how is the bator 15? your confusing me woman! no clue whats going on, if it aint green or stinky he should be ok not?

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Sally, on 4/28 you posted on my board that they were hatching, 2 were out and working on 1. So, they probably hatched on 4/27?
I had to quote it all lol so I could guess at timeline, these are being later obviously. lol

I dont know whats going on, everytime I quote it keeps tacking the same quote onto my next quote! even though I already quoted on it!

hmmm figure that statement out!! ha ha ha

 

[Sally Sunshine]

http://repository.lib.ncsu.edu/ir/bitstream/1840.16/133/1/etd.pdf another detailed source for embryo growth stages in details starts page 7



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[Gardeningmama]

Sally, on 4/28 you posted on my board that they were hatching, 2 were out and working on 1. So, they probably hatched on 4/27?
I had to quote it all lol so I could guess at timeline, these are being later obviously. lol

I dont know whats going on, everytime I quote it keeps tacking the same quote onto my next quote! even though I already quoted on it!

hmmm figure that statement out!! ha ha ha

I just candled the 3 remaining eggs under my girl. 1 that had the yellow glow at the bottom has quit. The other 2 are solid dark all of the way down, big aircells, draw down on one and that one I can see the body pushing up into the air cell. I am so stinking nervous. Part of me wants to intervene, but since I've had no luck with them I better just let her do her thing. I will be candling in the morning though, I'm sure the one will pip soon.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: Sally, on 4/28 you posted on my board that they were hatching, 2 were out and working on 1. So, they probably hatched on 4/27?
I had to quote it all lol so I could guess at timeline, these are being later obviously. lol

I dont know whats going on, everytime I quote it keeps tacking the same quote onto my next quote! even though I already quoted on it!

hmmm figure that statement out!! ha ha ha

I just candled the 3 remaining eggs under my girl. 1 that had the yellow glow at the bottom has quit. The other 2 are solid dark all of the way down, big aircells, draw down on one and that one I can see the body pushing up into the air cell. I am so stinking nervous. Part of me wants to intervene, but since I've had no luck with them I better just let her do her thing. I will be candling in the morning though, I'm sure the one will pip soon.

how many you put under her? and these were theirs not?

 

[foxvalleyfarm]

OMG! Guess what! I have 10 external pips. 6 more internal and the rest are squirming. The first to externally pip was the one I dented! The one with the yellow is close to internal pip. And the one I dropped is trying. It's she cell is almost fully detached. Im worried I may have to help.

 

[Gardeningmama]

Quote: Sally, on 4/28 you posted on my board that they were hatching, 2 were out and working on 1. So, they probably hatched on 4/27?
I had to quote it all lol so I could guess at timeline, these are being later obviously. lol

I dont know whats going on, everytime I quote it keeps tacking the same quote onto my next quote! even though I already quoted on it!

hmmm figure that statement out!! ha ha ha

I just candled the 3 remaining eggs under my girl. 1 that had the yellow glow at the bottom has quit. The other 2 are solid dark all of the way down, big aircells, draw down on one and that one I can see the body pushing up into the air cell. I am so stinking nervous. Part of me wants to intervene, but since I've had no luck with them I better just let her do her thing. I will be candling in the morning though, I'm sure the one will pip soon.

how many you put under her? and these were theirs not?

Yeah, she did it all herself. She laid 7 and then started setting. 1 she pushed out early on and broke it in the hut. Now there's 2.