Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[Overoberyl]

I have my first pip

Super excited except for the fact that it seems to be in the wrong place, it's sort of in the middle but toward the pointy end. I've read that it doesn't necessarily mean it won't hatch but its hard not to be worried... Fingers crossed!! It is a Blue Ameraucana. These are not my detached air cells, those go into lockdown next week

 

[picanins]

I have my first pip

Super excited except for the fact that it seems to be in the wrong place, it's sort of in the middle but toward the pointy end. I've read that it doesn't necessarily mean it won't hatch but its hard not to be worried... Fingers crossed!! It is a Blue Ameraucana. These are not my detached air cells, those go into lockdown next week

Yipeeeeee Yay Yay Yay Yay!!!!!

That's very awesome news!!!! I hope Purple Rain is holding on

 

[picanins]

I have my first pip

Super excited except for the fact that it seems to be in the wrong place, it's sort of in the middle but toward the pointy end. I've read that it doesn't necessarily mean it won't hatch but its hard not to be worried... Fingers crossed!! It is a Blue Ameraucana. These are not my detached air cells, those go into lockdown next week

Was this posted at 3.40am?????

.......... another crazy chicken lady watching the bator all night ...

 

[Sally Sunshine]

I have my first pip

Super excited except for the fact that it seems to be in the wrong place, it's sort of in the middle but toward the pointy end. I've read that it doesn't necessarily mean it won't hatch but its hard not to be worried... Fingers crossed!! It is a Blue Ameraucana. These are not my detached air cells, those go into lockdown next week

AWESOME!! Update update!!!

 

[Overoberyl]

WELL, I'm not sure if it is still alive, there has been no change in the shape of the pip since 2am, and I can't see any movement at all, I think maybe it drowned? It was a pretty early pip I think, since today is day 19, and so far no other pips. It is just the worst when all you can do is wait and see

 

[Overoberyl]

Was this posted at 3.40am?????

.......... another crazy chicken lady watching the bator all night ...

Yes, I keep all kinds of odd hours

 

[Sally Sunshine]

WELL, I'm not sure if it is still alive, there has been no change in the shape of the pip since 2am, and I can't see any movement at all, I think maybe it drowned? It was a pretty early pip I think, since today is day 19, and so far no other pips. It is just the worst when all you can do is wait and see

OK lets begin with I think you need to give a little more time.. read this and then I will suggest something at the bottom AFTER u READ this lol.... After the chick has made a hole in the shell, it stops pipping for three to eight hours and rests. During this time, it is acclimating its lungs to the outside atmosphere. After the resting stage is completed, the second stage of pipping begins....

The chick begins to turn slowly inside the egg. As it turns, usually counter-clockwise, the cutting edge of the chick tooth continues to chip away. In two to five hours, the chick has made about three quarters of a turn inside the egg. As the chick progresses in its movement around the shell, it begins pushing on the egg cap (large end). Squirming and struggling, the chick works feverishly for about 40 minutes pushing at the cap. Finally with a vigorous shove, the chick breaks free from the shell, still wet and panting.
When the chick is freed completely from the shell, it lies still. Its energy has been virtually exhausted, and it is extremely tired. After a rest of some few minutes, the chick begins to rise to its feet and gain coordination of its muscles. Within a few days the egg tooth, its usefulness over, will disappear. (http://chickscope.beckman.uiuc.edu/resources/egg_to_chick/procedures.html)

If you feel he may be SHRINK wrapped (only YOU know what your cells, weight, and Humidity have been) maybe you should start reading how to help a chick...... I have watched a ton of videos on youtube and its done all the time with no problems and HAS SAVED many HEALTHY chicks!! PROOF on all those videos! Here is what I had put in MY ARTICLE since I cant EDIT the first post of this thread @ https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/...ictures-everything-to-refer-to-for-incubation
TO ASSIST OR NOT TO ASSIST: refer AGAIN to end of https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/491013/goose-incubation-hatching-guide-completed for how to help a chick.

Here is a GREAT video as well as the link under this one....


The one at this link made me teary eyed.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl-_EwNqNOQ awwww she saved the peep!

Sites I will refer to:
Intervention: Helping Your Chicks Hatch
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/9316/intervention-helping-your-chicks-hatch

Float Testing, Checking Egg Viability For Late Or Overdue Hatching Give Eggs A Full 24 Hrs Overdue Before Float Testing. It Works On All Bird Eggs- Period! Takes Very Little Equipment Or Time To Do And Is Easy To Perform.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/383525/float-testing-checking-egg-viability-for-late-or-overdue-hatching

Eggtopsy: What happened to my egg?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/363717/eggtopsy-what-happened-to-my-egg-graphic-pictures

 

[Overoberyl]

The reason I was thinking it might have drowned is because there is fluid sort of pooling all around the tiny part of the beak that I can see, I could see the fluid pulsing when it first pipped and it seemed like maybe the nostrils were not clear of it, which is odd because I know they internally pip first and then break through the shell after they are already breathing, but I thought maybe since it pipped externally on the lower half of the egg maybe its in a weird position...

Im sure I'm overthinking it and should stop worrying, lol.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

The reason I was thinking it might have drowned is because there is fluid sort of pooling all around the tiny part of the beak that I can see, I could see the fluid pulsing when it first pipped and it seemed like maybe the nostrils were not clear of it, which is odd berntecause I know they internally pip first and then break through the shell after they are already breathing, but I thought maybe since it pipped externally on the lower half of the egg maybe its in a weird position...

Im sure I'm overthinking it and should stop worrying, lol.

Interesting, and I agree with you hearing the description... : ( remember if he doesnt make it to eggtopsy and take pics if u can of the lil thing so we can help others too.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

The reason I was thinking it might have drowned is because there is fluid sort of pooling all around the tiny part of the beak that I can see, I could see the fluid pulsing when it first pipped and it seemed like maybe the nostrils were not clear of it, which is odd because I know they internally pip first and then break through the shell after they are already breathing, but I thought maybe since it pipped externally on the lower half of the egg maybe its in a weird position...

Im sure I'm overthinking it and should stop worrying, lol.

I found this............
Pipped eggs that do not hatch
If chick embryos develop to the pipping stage, or at first shell cracking at hatching, they are normally healthy enough to hatch unless some incubator adjustment prevents it from happening. The problem is usually caused by either 1) poor ventilation or 2) improper humidity.

The air exchange requirement within an incubator is greatest during the last day of incubation. The chick embryo's oxygen requirement continually increases during development and especially when breathing using the respiratory system just before hatching. The vent openings are frequently restricted at this time in an attempt to boost incubator humidity. Instead of helping the chick hatch, the chick is suffocated from lack of ventilation. Never decrease ventilation openings at hatching in an attempt to increase humidity. Increase humidity by other methods. If any vent adjustments are made, they should be opened more.

Another reason for mortality during hatching is improper humidity adjustment. The deaths can be produced from too much humidity during the entire incubation period or from too little humidity during the hatching period.

The desired egg weight loss during incubation caused by water evaporation is about 12 percent. If humidity during incubation is kept too high, adequate water evaporation from the egg is prevented. The chick can drown in the water remaining in the shell at hatching. A dried coating around the chick's nostrils and beak indicates that drowning was likely. Attention to maintaining proper incubation humidity during incubation will reduce the potential for this problem at hatching time.
If the humidity is allowed to decrease after the chick pips the shell, the membranes within the shell can dry-out and stick to the chick. This prevents the chick from turning inside the shell and stops the hatching process. The chick eventually dies. If the membranes around the shell opening appear dried and shrunken, the cause is probably low humidity during hatching. This condition can occur quickly (within 1 or 2 minutes) when the incubator is opened to remove or assist other chicks that are hatching. When hatching begins and proper incubator conditions are attained, the incubator should never be opened until after all chicks are hatched and ready for placement in the brooder. http://msucares.com/poultry/reproductions/poultry_pipped.html


https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/458759/how-to-tell-if-a-chick-drowns Per Gypsy: Chicks dying during incubation because of excess humidity is NOT the same thing as chicks drowning. It's a very badly misused term. An embryo can fail to develop and die at any stage of the incubation. And excess humidity can be the cause of the embryo dying. But a chick can only drown AFTER it has pipped internally into the air cell and started trying to breathe air. If there is excess fluid in the egg at this time, the chick can inhale it and drown. But before it pips into the air sac, it isn't breathing air, so how could it drown?

So a chick that has drowned will have pipped internally into the air cell. It might also have pipped the shell. If you're doing carton hatching I think it would be quite easy to see. Break a small hole through the shell into the air cell and have a look. If it has broken through to the air cell then drowning is a possibility. Tip the egg up and see if any fluid drips out. At this stage of development and hatching, there should be almost no liquid left in the egg so if fluid drips out, the chick most likely did drown. I think a chick that drowned could have either an unabsorbed yolk sac or an almost totally absorbed one, depending on whether it drowned immediately after breaking through to the air sac, or after 12 hours of resting and absorbing the yolk. That is definitely possible, depending on the positioning of the egg. Also even with lots of fluid in the egg, the chick might be lucky and not drown. If it manages to keep its beak above the fluid, it can still hatch okay.

A chick that hasn't pipped internally into the air cell has NOT drowned. It may have died during incubation due to excess humidity conditions, but technically, it has not drowned. So do the same thing and have a look in the egg. If the chick looks almost fully developed but it hasn't broken through to the air sac, break the egg open into a bowl and see if it looks like there is a lot of excess fluid. The more fully developed the chick is, the less fluid there should be.