Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

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http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/07/make-raw-apple-cider-vinegar-acv-with.html I am going to try the last method when it warms up and I can keep it in the garage.


from the above link



“The value of vinegar has long been exploited by professional poultry farmers. Acidifying water alters the gut’s bacteria, slowing the growth of nasty bacteria, and giving a boost to good bacteria. Acid also helps control coccidiosis and Clostridium bacteria, which can cause a fatal disease called necrotic enteritis. Vinegar (acetic acid) is a cheap, accessible source of acid that anyone can find. It is, however, not a great acidifier...other organic acids such a butyric or proprionic acids actually work better...(the reason revolves around the pKa of the acid....high-school chemistry, anyone?) I have never found any study that showed any value to apple cider vinegar specifically, and several studies (the Journal of Applied Poultry Science in 2011, and Asian Australasian Journal of Animal Science), showed that broiler (meat) chickens grew slower when fed 0.5% apple cider vinegar or formic acid vs. pure water.

Acidified water also affects laying hens by making the calcium in her feed a little less digestible (again, based on chemistry....calcium is a positive ion, and dissociates better in a more alkaline environment.....seriously, who ever knew that this stuff might matter?). Professional farmers regularly add baking soda to their feed when heat stress is expected....this maintains egg shell quality when hens' feed consumption drops due to the heat.

Using vinegar in the water also helps keep bacteria from growing in your water system. It also smells good, and there is some evidence that birds will drink a little more, possibly because of taste.

At the end of the day, vinegar (apple cider or not) is an organic antibiotic that has a place in helping to control bacteria levels in your flock and altering bacterial populations in the gut. Just remember that it has some minor negative consequences for the hens, as it makes some nutrients less available to the birds.” The Chicken Vet
 
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from the above link



“The value of vinegar has long been exploited by professional poultry farmers. Acidifying water alters the gut’s bacteria, slowing the growth of nasty bacteria, and giving a boost to good bacteria. Acid also helps control coccidiosis and Clostridium bacteria, which can cause a fatal disease called necrotic enteritis. Vinegar (acetic acid) is a cheap, accessible source of acid that anyone can find. It is, however, not a great acidifier...other organic acids such a butyric or proprionic acids actually work better...(the reason revolves around the pKa of the acid....high-school chemistry, anyone?) I have never found any study that showed any value to apple cider vinegar specifically, and several studies (the Journal of Applied Poultry Science in 2011, and Asian Australasian Journal of Animal Science), showed that broiler (meat) chickens grew slower when fed 0.5% apple cider vinegar or formic acid vs. pure water.

Acidified water also affects laying hens by making the calcium in her feed a little less digestible (again, based on chemistry....calcium is a positive ion, and dissociates better in a more alkaline environment.....seriously, who ever knew that this stuff might matter?). Professional farmers regularly add baking soda to their feed when heat stress is expected....this maintains egg shell quality when hens' feed consumption drops due to the heat.

Using vinegar in the water also helps keep bacteria from growing in your water system. It also smells good, and there is some evidence that birds will drink a little more, possibly because of taste.

At the end of the day, vinegar (apple cider or not) is an organic antibiotic that has a place in helping to control bacteria levels in your flock and altering bacterial populations in the gut. Just remember that it has some minor negative consequences for the hens, as it makes some nutrients less available to the birds.” The Chicken Vet

Ok so this is where I also got that the ACV can cause them to not get enough calcium absorbed.
 
I don't know perhaps sumi will know more.... maybe this has been a freak of it.... I am worried too because the stupid rooster keeps trying to squirm in the nest box on the other broody cochin to have fun and he is huge and he will crush the darn marans eggs. And she is mean as heck and wont let me near her so I cant move her alone or without armor. I hate that I even did the broody thing its been a nightmare, its easier in the bator! I know they are safe with me even if I loose electric!

I'm so sorry to hear of all the troubles you're having right now, Sally. Why does bad stuff always seem to happen to the sweetest people? Hope it starts looking up soon.


Is it too late to add times 4 lol

I'm late to the party, wandered off last night to watch "Elizabeth" and then crashed. Good luck times 5! Or 6, or whatever number we're at now.


Hmmm seems like there is an easier method. Let me look.

I took the lazy way out. Purchased gallon jugs of regular ACV on wamart's website for about $3 a gallon, then split a bottle of Bragg's between them. Not as cheap, but just as effective so far. I've got mothers growing in 12 gallons of ACV.
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Good morning peeps.
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I'm so sorry to hear of all the troubles you're having right now, Sally. Why does bad stuff always seem to happen to the sweetest people? Hope it starts looking up soon.



I'm late to the party, wandered off last night to watch "Elizabeth" and then crashed. Good luck times 5! Or 6, or whatever number we're at now.



I took the lazy way out. Purchased gallon jugs of regular ACV on wamart's website for about $3 a gallon, then split a bottle of Bragg's between them. Not as cheap, but just as effective so far. I've got mothers growing in 12 gallons of ACV.
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Good morning peeps.
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That seems even easier.
 
Oh thank you so much for your information. yes we do have the sussex next to the others cage. They're out together all
day. I will be getting rid of my two silkies the were suppose to be a pair but ended up too roosters. They're not good at all
for show or breeding. But the Sussex couple I'd like to but in with the others. Eventually I'll pass the Sussex Roo on within
our 4H club, just need a few more hens. We're not zoned for roosters. thanks again.
 



ummmmm
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I said I am not incubating

I had a surprise delivery from a friend!
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Buttons anyone!

23 as one was broken, don't know how, she packed them AMAZING!

I hope they don't get crushed in that mess of a coolerbator, I so need to make another : (
I cant move on making another right now knowing DH will need surgery, I have almost everything but wire, another thermo/hygro, and a cooler!
 



ummmmm
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I said I am not incubating

I had a surprise delivery from a friend!
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Buttons anyone!

23 as one was broken, don't know how, she packed them AMAZING!

I hope they don't get crushed in that mess of a coolerbator, I so need to make another : (
I cant move on making another right now knowing DH will need surgery, I have almost everything but wire, another thermo/hygro, and a cooler!

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I don't see your bator getting stored any time soon.
 
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