Differences EE, Ameraucana, & Araucana * Pls post pics*

[ChooksChick]

I'd like to have a question answered, and fear I'll start the eternal fight about this...but here goes, anyway, because I'm so confused:

Say I had 2 pure Ameraucanas from incredibly well-known breeders. Both are perfectly fitting their 'variety.' They are 2 totally different colors, say black and wheaten.

I breed them. Now I've got eggs hatching birds that are, in any other breed, just non-standard color and yet still purebred Ameraucana breed.

YET>>>The Ameraucana Breeders' Club FAQ states that, "...Further, even if a bird meets a standard breed description, but doesn’t meet a variety description or breed true at least 50% of the time it is considered an Easter Egg chicken."

SO...my understanding is that this non-standard, purebred, completely legitimately true Ameraucana has just been kicked out of its breed and is now considered an EE.

Am I right?

 

[cottagegarden]

Yes. Those are the facts, so pls no fights if someone doesnt agree with it. (0:
If you mix varieties they are no longer going to breed true for you. If it was another breed, say a Cochin, you would call them from a mixed pen or a non-standard color Cochin. That you can call a mixed color Ameraucana another name(EE)
probably gets confusing, but you could call them an Amer of non-standard color.
Happens all the time with other chickens..only seems to make people upset with this one.

 

[Tailfeathers]

Hi ChooksChick,

Yes you are correct. While I can't specifically state with certainty, I suspect you may be incorrect however in your assumption "that are, in any other breed, just non-standard color".

I have chosen to focus on just Ameraucanas, Welsummers, and Barnevelders and simply don't have the time nor the intelligence to become an expert in all the other breeds. Having said that, I would assume the same genetics apply to - oh say Orpington's - and that if one were to breed a Black or Blue Orpington to a Buff, there may be problems with that Club recognizing those birds. Also, I have no idea what one would wind up with if they crossed say a Black Orpington to a Buff Orpington however the APA Standard for "50% breeding true" is unchanged and I'm pretty sure those birds would not be recognized by the APA either.

One has to remember that the ABC is just that - a Club. However, they have VERY good reasons for having the restrictions they do. This is especially true given the overwhelming abundance of innumerable varieties of EE's. An awful lot of work by some awfully dedicated people went into the development of those 8 recognized varieties. To have folks arbitrarily crossing Blues with say Blue Wheatens, could really mess up the future genetics for both varieties.

I hope the above makes sense.

God Bless,

 

[Birdgirl]

My pullet lays beautiful light blue eggs, so is she an ee? Does on ee lay different colored eggs or all the same color?

oh and if anyone has a roo like this, Id like him...

 

[klf73]

unless that pullet came from a breeder it most likely is an EE. EE's can lay pink, blue, green......some even lay white and brown

. The color that each individual hen lays stays the same.....that does not change and it depends on the genetics of the parents as to what color they will lay.....

 

[sloallie10]

OOOOoooOOOO, more pictures!!

 

[call ducks]

ok os a breeder is breeding what looks to be wheton Ameraucana roo to blue Ameraucana hens so would this be a ee or would it be a blue wheton ameraucana ?

 

[ChooksChick]

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Ok- I guess the reason this is so confusing is that you would still call that bird an Orpington. You would say it's just not colored correctly. At least this is my assumption. I've no wish to belittle the hard work that has gone into the varieties, I guess I'm just confused as to why this particular one gets on the nerves of people so much.

If I had that mixed Orpington, for example, it wouldn't offend the Orpington breeders out there into correcting me mercilessly that my bird wasn't an Orpington...I don't expect, anyway. Yet, if I have that mixed-Ameraucana from the example, I would expect the Ameraucana Authorities to let me have it in corrections that I had an EE.

The reverse is also true, with folks who have unknown heritage EEs being highly offended and insisting they are as much an Ameraucana as any other. It's often been very emotional.

Can anyone explain to me from a hatchery perspective, whether other breeds are mixed in, or whether the hatchery models are really EE's generation after generation?

 

[klf73]

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according to the genetic calculator the offspring will be black and blue.... but those colors won't breed *true* because they will still carry the wheaten gene.....

 

[stormylady]

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I have 2 with that coloration but not sure if there girls or boys yet.