Discussion of Legbar Standard of Perfection for -Alternative- Legbars - SOP discussion

[chicken pickin]

So I've noticed! I really enjoy all the cream rooster/hen pics you post...are you a member of APA? I would imagine your hatches exceed the 50% minimum requirement for type & color which breeders need to meet as part of the APA requirements for acceptance...

For those in the know -
Does the Cream Legbar club have a list of APA breeders and proposed method of documentation to facilitate this part of compliance?

No I am not part of the APA as of yet. This is only my first year breeding Cream Legbar. My original cock was "crele" and I mated him with cream hens, so this year I pretty much had 50/50 hatch cream/"crele". I culled down and kept my best cream cockerel and culled the rest including the original "crele" cock(due to bad attitude). I culled all my "crele" pullets and I am left with what I believe to be cream only.

This up coming year I plan to hatch from a quad only, I will make a pen for my 2 best hens, my best pullet and my best cockerel. Im hoping this will give me some good offspring to work with for the following year. All the other CL pullets I have will go into a different pen to maybe be use at a later date.

Then I have a Rees trio I plan to hatch from this upcoming year also to see what they throw. Rees line will stay in a separate breeding pen to maintain separate lines.

 

[ChicKat]

So I've noticed! I really enjoy all the cream rooster/hen pics you post...are you a member of APA? I would imagine your hatches exceed the 50% minimum requirement for type & color which breeders need to meet as part of the APA requirements for acceptance...

For those in the know -
Does the Cream Legbar club have a list of APA breeders and proposed method of documentation to facilitate this part of compliance?

chicken pickin I really like those photos too!!

Sol2go - I have added a required field on the new form for 2015 enrollment that asks if the member is also an APA member...so starting with 2015 club enrollments we will be able to track.

 

[ChicKat]

So another question that may have come up already about the light brown/crele colored birds is crest color. I prefer the look of a colored crest that matches the hackle compared to the dark brown/gray/black crest that so many have. I have a few of each but the gold crested pullets stand out to me.

Is this in reference to only the proposed crele or the cream or?

I thought the cream variety is a matching cream/gray crest?

How can we make use of the lovely dark crested ladies? It seems like they would be a natural for the crele version, and help differentiate that variety from the cream.

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This brings up a dilemma......

Q. for FMP - your Rose Combs are the same ones that you are referring to as light browns - right? - that would be one variety - and in theory could have hackles and crest match
For the ones that have light crests - that would be the cream legbar
For the white variety the crests would be white
For the crele variety - the crests would be dark... Somehow I think that the crests should be the same dark value as the tail is.

 

[sol2go]

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[chicken pickin]

Sure. I was out observing birds this morning which made me think about it. A majority of the females I have seen have the dark crest which is related to the extra melanizers that seem to be dominant.
I am hoping to get new pics of them all since they are really finally filling out, plus I need pics of my spare sale birds so when I am out, I'll get pics comparing dark with light crests

Cant wait to see your birds!

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

This brings up a dilemma......

Q. for FMP - your Rose Combs are the same ones that you are referring to as light browns - right? - that would be one variety - and in theory could have hackles and crest match
For the ones that have light crests - that would be the cream legbar
For the white variety the crests would be white
For the crele variety - the crests would be dark... Somehow I think that the crests should be the same dark value as the tail is.

On my rose combed and single combed birds I call them light brown, just like the others. They have both light and dark crests just like the others. Calling them another color variety isn't viable since the cockerels of both crest tones are basically identical once the barring is added. The pullets do vary but other than the crest and upper hackle, the color is the same.

 

[ChicKat]

On my rose combed and single combed birds I call them light brown, just like the others. They have both light and dark crests just like the others. Calling them another color variety isn't viable since the cockerels of both crest tones are basically identical once the barring is added. The pullets do vary but other than the crest and upper hackle, the color is the same.

Okay- thanks for the info. We got down to 27 here and my 'best' guy was out on the roof of the coop because he likes it there...no comb damage----however I bet that your Rose Combs would definitely be a variety that is super popular in cold area (and I'm in TX so go figure.)

If the variety was called Rose Comb--- I think that the other descriptors would be included in the coloration. i.e. crest matches hackles. It would help differentiate the varieties. As someone mentioned (was it me?) we do need a variety that will incorporate the dark-crested ones...since that is what the majority of Cream Legbars in the USA are -- or should I say legbars -- and I guess that gives them sanctuary in the Crele variety.

So if the crest goes light gray plus cream in the Cream ones, the crest on females can be dark on crele and can match hackles on the Rosecombs -- which I think if I remember right FMP was going for the ones that people were calling 'gold' 6-months ago.

Then the question of the males.... for Cream legbar only gray and white in secondaries perhaps saddle and hackle have match - or some even seem to have lighter saddle - for Crele Legbar another color in the secondaries, chestnut, buff, butter-colored? - the darker saddle for the crele and more chestnut acceptable. The basis for the Crele is the Gold Lebar SOP - since the females will tend to have a warmer color on their wings and back. They are fine-tunings -- but it is a difference between the varieties providing one thinks that the existing UK SOP correctly reflects the birds. For FMP since he invented the variety of Rose Comb he can call all the shots the way he wants his variety to look - and it is just a matter of word-crafting it into language of APA SOP.

make sense?

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I plan on breeding them to whatever color standard. They carry cream. I envision the rose comb in whatever color the normal legbars come in, just like the leghorn colors that have both comb types. I am still undecided about the comb as far as a curved or straight comb. The two males with perfect straight rose combs have tiny crests but all the females get a curve in the comb once they start laying.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Tried to get some pics of the pullets for the crest comparisson but they were crazy so I cornered them and got a picture.

And here is a picture of my sale cockerel. He has the perfect rose comb that I like, a barred tail, and a good flow but he has a very high tail, red in the earlobes, and is kinda small.

 

[ChicKat]

Tried to get some pics of the pullets for the crest comparisson but they were crazy so I cornered them and got a picture.


And here is a picture of my sale cockerel. He has the perfect rose comb that I like, a barred tail, and a good flow but he has a very high tail, red in the earlobes, and is kinda small.

Love the tail angles and the wattles -- I have some roosters that have overly large wattles for my taste---