Discussion of Legbar Standard of Perfection for -Alternative- Legbars - SOP discussion

[ChicKat]

Quote: Yes, that is what I said. We are not finding a correlation, and there are things that affect the shanks. That being said - there are studies that show the effect of diet on pigments in chickens. We kind of have a consensus that beta carotene and carotinoids have an effect. It is the diet side and not the gentetic side that I was referencing.

That being said, if we are talking about not the coloration, but the degree of color saturation - it is something that should be considered.

 

[ChicKat]

Interesting information related to 'Crele"

This is from the Omega Hills Farms website:
http://omegahillsfarm.com/product-category/english-crele-orpington/

English Crele Orpington Chickens

The Crele Orpington was originally developed in Denmark and made it’s way to the UK. Even today it is still very rare in the UK. It is also sometimes called Legbar Orpington. (Not to be confused with Cream Legbar) The color of the Crele Orpingtons along with the barring is one of the most stunning orpington types. The color and barring are created by crossing a Partridge with a barred/cuckoo. So in essence the Crele is just a Cuckoo Partridge. Our Crele’s are from the Fancy Chick/Sandra Hildreth of Orpington’s Galore line and are split to Isabel Cuckoo. Offspring from this line can result in colors that range from a darker Partridge cuckoo to lighter Isabel cuckoo.






Hens - very un-Cream Legbar like - due to the partridge basis. Interesting genetics.

 

[nicalandia]

Interesting information related to 'Crele"

This is from the Omega Hills Farms website:
http://omegahillsfarm.com/product-category/english-crele-orpington/

English Crele Orpington Chickens

The Crele Orpington was originally developed in Denmark and made it’s way to the UK. Even today it is still very rare in the UK. It is also sometimes called Legbar Orpington. (Not to be confused with Cream Legbar) The color of the Crele Orpingtons along with the barring is one of the most stunning orpington types. The color and barring are created by crossing a Partridge with a barred/cuckoo. So in essence the Crele is just a Cuckoo Partridge. Our Crele’s are from the Fancy Chick/Sandra Hildreth of Orpington’s Galore line and are split to Isabel Cuckoo. Offspring from this line can result in colors that range from a darker Partridge cuckoo to lighter Isabel cuckoo.






Hens - very un-Cream Legbar like - due to the partridge basis. Interesting genetics.

Crele its used on eb birds aswell, as in Crele Penedesencas.. basically the males are barred duckwing

 

[ChicKat]

Crele its used on eb birds aswell, as in Crele Penedesencas.. basically the males are barred duckwing

Thanks nicalandia --

There are also some based on BBR aren't there -- is that what the crele OEGB is? So e+, eb -- is there another one?

 

[nicalandia]

Thanks nicalandia --

There are also some based on BBR aren't there -- is that what the crele OEGB is? So e+, eb -- is there another one?

BBR are just a term for a red enhanced gold Duckwing males, now they are mostly based on e+ like OEG but BBR can be base on any e allele that produces a gold duckwing male like e+, eb, ewh


BBR male vs Gold Duckwing Male both based on e+/e+



most Crele OEG are based on BBR OEG , the difference on shade you see between them(BBR and Crele OEG) is the effect of B/B

 

[sol2go]

I've been meaning to post pics from my Cream Legbar x Crele Penedesenca crosses (I think they originated with Hangtown / Just struttin).

I can't find the roosters right now, here's one of 3 hens, they all looked very similar.
The chicks were auto-sexing with chipmunk down.

In person she looks significantly more gold / brown through the body than any of the CLB hens. She lays a pretty blue/green egg.

(I know, messy molt…)

Here's a male of unknown origin that she is paired with.
He contributes a brown eggshell gene and has a crow wing.
Is he considered BBR?
Her pullet offspring have consistently had tuxedo down, feather out pure black, and lay an olive egg.
This rooster does not always produce chicks with tuxedo down.
This is when he was a cockerel.


I realize the rooster may be heading off in the wrong direction for our general review but I have always wondered what I could learn about him.

 

[ChicKat]

I've been meaning to post pics from my Cream Legbar x Crele Penedesenca crosses (I think they originated with Hangtown / Just struttin).

I can't find the roosters right now, here's one of 3 hens, they all looked very similar.
The chicks were auto-sexing with chipmunk down.

In person she looks significantly more gold / brown through the body than any of the CLB hens. She lays a pretty blue/green egg.

(I know, messy molt…)

Here's a male of unknown origin that she is paired with.
He contributes a brown eggshell gene and has a crow wing.
Is he considered BBR?
Her pullet offspring have consistently had tuxedo down, feather out pure black, and lay an olive egg.
This rooster does not always produce chicks with tuxedo down.
This is when he was a cockerel.


I realize the rooster may be heading off in the wrong direction for our general review but I have always wondered what I could learn about him.

Interesting and pretty rooster Sol2go --

but he wasn't sold to you as a CL or part CL was he? I see slate or white legs, red earlobes - really nice solid red - I am breeding for red earlobesin my Isbars.-- and no hint of Legbar coloration.

Your pictured hen could pass for a Legbar - does she have a crest? Perhaps that is what a true gold legbar looks like? I can't wait to see the real ones...rather than the ones that lay blue eggs, have crests - were sold as CLs and get christened as golds.

I am thinking the real tell would be a very russet/burnt orange set of back and wing feathers -- and this one looks a bit more brown, albeit a warm color as opposed to the gray that should be there----but there is a lot of brown body plumage in CLs.

 

[KPenley]

I've been meaning to post pics from my Cream Legbar x Crele Penedesenca crosses (I think they originated with Hangtown / Just struttin). I can't find the roosters right now, here's one of 3 hens, they all looked very similar. The chicks were auto-sexing with chipmunk down. In person she looks significantly more gold / brown through the body than any of the CLB hens. She lays a pretty blue/green egg. (I know, messy molt…) Here's a male of unknown origin that she is paired with. He contributes a brown eggshell gene and has a crow wing. Is he considered BBR? Her pullet offspring have consistently had tuxedo down, feather out pure black, and lay an olive egg. This rooster does not always produce chicks with tuxedo down. This is when he was a cockerel. I realize the rooster may be heading off in the wrong direction for our general review but I have always wondered what I could learn about him.

Your rooster looks an awful lot like a Barnevelder???but the legs are wrong. Let me go take a pick, but that's totally where the brown eggs are coming from.

 

[KPenley]

Ok, maybe your guy is more partridge than double laced, but there is still something that reminds me of my guys.

Do any of his offspring look like this?

 

[nicalandia]

I've been meaning to post pics from my Cream Legbar x Crele Penedesenca crosses (I think they originated with Hangtown / Just struttin).

I can't find the roosters right now, here's one of 3 hens, they all looked very similar.
The chicks were auto-sexing with chipmunk down.

In person she looks significantly more gold / brown through the body than any of the CLB hens. She lays a pretty blue/green egg.

(I know, messy molt…)

Here's a male of unknown origin that she is paired with.
He contributes a brown eggshell gene and has a crow wing.
Is he considered BBR?
Her pullet offspring have consistently had tuxedo down, feather out pure black, and lay an olive egg.
This rooster does not always produce chicks with tuxedo down.
This is when he was a cockerel.


I realize the rooster may be heading off in the wrong direction for our general review but I have always wondered what I could learn about him.

While Crow Wing males can look very simmilar to BBR(Black Breasted Reds) they are not called that way, because they have all black wings(except for shoulders) the correct term would be Brown Red, google Brown Red rooster and you will see they are crow winged