Do Chicks Care About Calcium? Or is it about companies and outdated studies

I would be interested to know this as well. They might be eating the polyps on the calcium carbonate skeleton of the coral reef. I imagine they access the reef when the tide is very low? In which case there are also a bazillion creepy crawly crabs and other sea critters that I’m sure chickens find delicious and easy to catch. I know you (@CabritaChicks) have more observational experience with these feral chickens than we possibly can so I am sure you have watched them so you can tell us what leads you to believe they are consuming the coral skeleton itself. Very interesting discussion. I have noticed my pullets eating the “oyster shell” i have left out for the laying hens although none of them are laying yet. I just assume they are getting ready to lay and know what’s good for them. They are also free range and have been eating clover. I have been doing free-choice oyster shell for years not because of chicks but because of various aged hens and lower-production breeds. Now I have a rooster as well. I haven’t noticed him digging into the calcium.
If you live on a coral reef, the very ground beneath your feet is part of the reef system, composed of countless fragments of coral, shell, and other calcareous organisms. Any handful of soil here contains billions of microscopic and macroscopic pieces of crushed shell and coral. This extends even inland; when you walk through the jungle, you are often treading on layers of crushed shell—some remnants of marine life, others from terrestrial sources such as hermit crabs. Seagulls frequently consume hermit crabs and leave behind their exoskeletons, further enriching the substrate. In effect, the ground here naturally mirrors the composition of commercial oyster shell grit typically provided to poultry.

I have closely observed the behavior of chickens in this environment—less so the more feral junglefowl (aside from one semi-domesticated individual, “Gypsy Chick”)—but generally it is impossible to spend time outdoors without encountering chickens or noticing the omnipresence of crushed shells and coral. This material is extremely fine in many areas, even accumulating in small drifts where it has not yet integrated with clay or organic debris. Because these shell fragments are lighter than stones, the frequent trade winds tend to redistribute them, creating localized concentrations. Which is why our ground- in certain light glitters-

When feeding these chickens, I’ve noted that they will eagerly consume whatever is available, but then almost immediately seek out and ingest this naturally occurring grit. They sometimes even pick up pieces that appear quite large relative to what is typically recommended. All advised by their mother who is showing them the ropes.

Of particular interest to me are three distinct flocks across different properties: one primarily composed of barred rocks, another of buff orpingtons, and a third of silkies. While these birds have undoubtedly mixed with local fowl over generations, their breed characteristics remain quite evident.

I know that may seem impossible: but the culture here is 'live by the moment', things are done sloppily and without proper education or preparations. So someone receives a paycheck, and in lieu of paying their taxes or bills... orders expensive chickens- only to get bored with them in a few years- so they round them up and release them in a different area to integrate into our island chicken fold.

Remarkably, even at only a few days old, the chicks are guided by the adults to peck and consume grit directly from areas where the lightweight shell fragments have settled, in preference to regions dominated by sand/rock or clay. True to their nature as chickens, they continue this behavior incessantly.

I did quite a bit of research many, many years ago on 'self medicating', although my 2 year study (which included 60 zebra finches) were frankly inconclusive- but leaned toward some ability. This lead me to a different area of study for the past 5 year on Hypervitaminosis which refers to over supplementation, which can lead to toxic symptoms and various health issues in which I have an active study right now. Of course- this work is not in chickens my current study is in specific species of parrots.

To the point of @saysfaa on island they consume a great deal of random plant matter, however there is no nutritional studies widely accepted on our foliage as humans dont consume it. But I assume it may be high in vitamin K, they also eat an enormous amount of fruit which has high vit C, and of course it is the caribbean- so vitamin D is not in short supply. The bodies could potentially be eliminating overages more efficiently rather than 'self medicating'.

Bloodwork can tell an immense amount and can be conducted easily on birds from the jugular. And yes, I have been- everything from kidney (Uric acid, elects Na, K, CL, dropping anaylisis, creatine) and liver function (AST + bile acids are key for liver function), blood tests can even measure levels of calcium, vitamin D, and certain hormones which can be supporting of bone health.

Edit: I should not have just said 'coral' in my original post as it is everything that makes up the ecosystem. I also garden extensively, and we have soil testing kits (standard) and the calcium content is so high it wont even read it correctly which effects the magesium balance. Everyone on island has a massive issue with the calcium and sodium content, which can be very harmful to many plants. So we spend a fortune trying to correct it. Trust me when I say a fortune.
 
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Very interesting, CabritaChicks! Thank you.

When you say everyone on the island has a massive issue with calcium and sodium, and spends a fortune trying to correct it.... do you mean what y'all are eating or amending the soil to get plants to grow?
 
Very interesting, CabritaChicks! Thank you.

When you say everyone on the island has a massive issue with calcium and sodium, and spends a fortune trying to correct it.... do you mean what y'all are eating or amending the soil to get plants to grow?
Amending the soil for plants to grow.

Additionally, human dietary patterns play a significant role. Rates of high cholesterol and diabetes are notably higher here compared to many other cultures, while calcium intake tends to be quite low. Many households dont have electricity as its too expensive. IF you can get it- power outages daily at over $0.50 per kilowatt-hour with extreme poverty, while the US average is around $0.16 per kWh. Which is why we live entirely off grid.

Fruit covered with salt—a convenient, non-perishable option that grows abundantly on free/wild plants every few feet. In this hot climate, heavy sweating is common, and there’s a widespread misconception that sugar acts as an electrolyte, which it does not. Much of the local cuisine also consists of stews that are extremely high in sodium and not skimmed of fat- in fact the fat is preferred in large chunks, unlike clearer broths such as chicken soup. With no medical insurance (we don't have it on island- you pay out of pocket, you must get it from your employer- and a good portion of the island are unemployed or work under the table on odd jobs). It is a huge problem.

So therefore amending soil... or buying chicken feed at 65 dollars a bag: that is left up to the 'wealthy'. So you can imagine, dirty rice (rice is cooked in animal fat), topped with a thick goat stew and snacks of mango covered in salt, and high sugar softdrinks... that is the norm. Sorry- that is likely too much information, lol. I'm on a 30 minute break from work and talking out my tooshie from boredom.
 
I find many points very interesting. One that stands out is that they pick up shells, as grit apparently despite having alternatives. I don't know how different your sand/clay soils are from places I've lived.

I've lived on top of glacier deposits most of my life. All of the surface soil as far down as it is easy to shovel has extensive rocks, stones, gravel, and sand from all kinds of sources all mixed together. There is what we (and the national soil service) call clay - which is clay with rocks, stones, sand, and gravel mixed in. There is sand - with rocks, stones, and gravel mixed in. Same for the gravel pits. Same for the muck swamps. Same for the creek beds.

But the well company drilled a new well for us, they went through a layer of fine sand that was as uniform as the sand my dad bought for his sand blaster. It was incredible; I marveled over it for weeks even after I got the bank of it moved off the lawn.

When I lived in another region, the soil was clay. Only clay on top of limestone bedrock. No rocks or stones or pebbles.

So, I can see how sand and clay soils might be too uniformly fine to be useful as grit. Is that the case on your island? If so, they may be using the best option available to them for grit despite issues with it rather than it being a source without issues.
 
It is interesting to see the opposite side of calcium-in-the-soil issues. My land tends to be acidic because the rain dissolves the calcium and it filters down through the sand until it is below the roots of most plants. I'm not sure if the rain/filter mechanism is what caused it to be acidic in the first place but we spread lime to adjust the pH so plants will grow better.

While poking into what coral islands are like this afternoon, I was reminded that our sand isn't the same as some ocean beach sands. Ours is generally about 90% quartz.

I found a little (very little) about how plants grow differently on coral islands vs inland areas. One study found higher amounts of antioxidants in plants growing on coral islands than the same plants growing in inland area. Also, higher protein and fleshier leaves. Evidently, a response to the environment. It sounded like how tomato seedlings grow thicker stems when their stems are bent by a fan blowing on them or a hand brushing them.
 
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It is interesting to see the opposite side of calcium-in-the-soil issues. My land tends to be acidic because the rain dissolves the calcium and it filters down through the sand until it is below the roots of most plants. I'm not sure if the rain/filter mechanism is what caused it to be acidic in the first place but we spread lime to adjust the pH so plants will grow better.

While poking into what coral islands are like this afternoon, I was reminded that our sand isn't the same as some ocean beach sands. Ours is generally about 90% quartz.

I found a little (very little) about how plants grow differently on coral islands vs inland areas. One study found higher amounts of antioxidants in plants growing on coral islands than the same plants growing in inland area. Also, higher protein and fleshier leaves. Evidently, a response to the environment. It sounded like how tomato seedlings grow thicker stems when their stems are bent by a fan blowing on them or a hand brushing them.
Interestingly enough, I’ll soon have a very solid answer for you. My microscope broke (a new one is on the way), and the “sand” or clay here is extremely mixed and variable. So my husband took the samples back to the States with him, where he works in quarries and has access to proper lab equipment. I dropped him off at the airport this morning. This will give us a clear picture of exactly what we’re dealing with—a valuable data point.


One side of the island has bluffs, the inlets have sandy stretches, and much of it borders coral reef—you get the idea. Our island isn’t round at all; it looks like a toddler’s scribble on paper! Despite being under 30 square miles (with much of that unusable), we even have noticeably different microclimates across various parts.

I collected samples from:
  • the bottom of the bedrock cliffs behind us
  • the 'backfill' (used during mountain construction from quarries)
  • the “sand” at beach areas
  • the salt pond, (since we dont have fresh water here is just runoff and still brackish—humans rely on delivered water or rain collection)
  • and various other spots around the island, some areas being only about 100 meters wide (like where I live)
Once the analyses come back, I’ll be able to give you far more precise details.
 
I guess I should add: the last analysis (which was done by a less-than ideal lab situation 7 years ago.

But it showed:
The soil in the Virgin Islands is indeed predominantly derived from:
  • Shoreline dolomite (calcium magnesium carbonate rock)
  • Crushed coral and shell fragments (from the surrounding reef system, constantly broken down by wave action and biological processes)
  • Considerable detritus in untouched land
Combined with:
  • Volcanic rocks & weathered basalt (especially inland and on older ridges — from ancient underwater volcanic activity that built much of the island arc)
  • Clay minerals (kaolinite and others formed from the long weathering of volcanic rocks in this humid tropical climate)
  • Iron oxides & aluminum oxides (which give many soils their reddish tint)
  • Organic matter (leaf litter, decomposed plant roots — often patchy and thin outside valleys)
  • Small quantities of quartz and feldspar (washed in from older igneous formations)
In short:
  • Near the coast, the soil is often very calcareous — mostly crushed coral, shell, and dolomite fragments. (remember we are 350 feet wide in many areas-)
  • Inland or on older hills, it’s more weathered volcanic soils with clays, iron, and aluminum and fossilized materials including calcareous.
  • Because of the topography and heavy rains, soils are often shallow and prone to erosion, with limited organic content outside low-lying areas.
'But now I get to up update everything! I'm excited' (<-- Geek)

Edit- adding in: the island is a bunch of crazy hills, buffs and mountains, in which the chickens never reside. Interesting fact.
 

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