Do You Own A Gun ?

[BruceAZ]

i saw two videos recently

this is is pretty much similar to what i mentioned before-- paycheck to paycheck Americans

even if you have insurance that unexpected car accident will result in a $500 deductible which some of us will not have..

and just today..

pretty sure like the last time in CA.. they will be focusing on the guns instead of domestic terrorists

 

[Lisa Wood]

I find Obama's speech so self serving, it makes it hard to comment. The video I watched also proclaimed this "act of terror" is "home grown."
I have no problem with all us Americans loving each other, but I do have a problem loving Islamic Extremists who wish to come to the US and behead and torture everyone who does not agree with them.
I dare say, if Obama succeeded in disarming the American public, whats gonna stop Isis from continueing to attack? Not me being unarmed! I much prefer to shoot back. And how can the US "decide what type of country we want to be?" in light of the groups responsible for terrorism are not homegrown, even if Americans are radicalized and recruited, this idealology did not come from us?!
What a pile of chicken crap!

 

[sdm111]

Agreed Lisa, people can't be reactive to someone that intends to die, must be proactive. And no matter how much they want you can't love the jihad out of somebody

 

[jbcluckers]

I also am pro gun. I grew up with guns and was an avid hunter. I am old enough to have seen the violence grow out of control.
I no longer hunt yet have all my firearms and will not give them up. I will defend my family and property at all cost.
I believe in more thorough background checks. If you want a gun you can wait for it. If you cant wait, that's a good reason you shouldn't have one. I think if more responsible people carried a weapon it would cut down on violent crime as the person intent on committing a crime with a weapon knows they are most likely the only one armed. There are many instances in mass shootings that could have been less horrific if a responsible person had a weapon and had the opportunity to take the idiot out. That being said, we almost all have the right to get a concealed carry license (I do have one) yet it does me no good if I can't carry into a club, theater,
restaurant, or grocery store, as almost all establishments where I live don't allow it. The old America that I remember seems to be fading with bulls@#& politics and so many people feeling entitled without effort to make there own way. This is America, built on immigration and a fair shot for everyone if your willing to work for it. If we want to live in America then be an American, speak English, live your life responsibly and let others live theirs.

 

[BruceAZ]

I find Obama's speech so self serving, it makes it hard to comment. The video I watched also proclaimed this "act of terror" is "home grown."
I have no problem with all us Americans loving each other, but I do have a problem loving Islamic Extremists who wish to come to the US and behead and torture everyone who does not agree with them.
I dare say, if Obama succeeded in disarming the American public, whats gonna stop Isis from continueing to attack? Not me being unarmed! I much prefer to shoot back. And how can the US "decide what type of country we want to be?" in light of the groups responsible for terrorism are not homegrown, even if Americans are radicalized and recruited, this idealology did not come from us?!
What a pile of chicken crap!

there are those who will encourage people to do nothing in case of a crime and just deal with the aftereffects of it ..

that way of thinking will not sit well with me..

from the look of how things are going.. maybe they will remove the 2nd amendment from the constitution (that's a big IF) and enforce martial law ?


it's interesting how they are using these terrorist attacks to push for more gun laws..

France,Chicago, California, etc.. have some of the toughest gun laws-- so what went wrong?

if there's a will there's a way..

maybe they will go minority report on the citizens of this country?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/

 

[ejcrist]

"it's like picking which STD you are comfortable with"

a comment by a user i met online when talking about voting for which candidates (at the time ted cruz and kasich were still in the race).


anyway.. i guess in your area you don't have to pay for gun range time right?

here

$15/hour for 1 line-- it went by quick
$15 for 50rd of fmj

so each time i'm there i used about $45-$60..

that's pretty pricey..

with so many laws about guns-- the only place i can use them is at the gun range

it's interesting isn't it ? not many things that you own-- in order to use you have to go to a designated area.. pay by the hour just to use it

Hey Bruce - Just a thought here but have you gone to Phoenix Rod and Gun, Ben Avery, or Rio Salado? Ben Avery and Rio Salado are run by Game and Fish but you can become a member at Rio Salado and pay either no or minimal fees. I belong to Phoenix Rod and Gun and there's no fees other than a yearly membership of $90 for an individual. Just wanted to mention it because I hear a from a lot of people that pay by the hour but I never considered it due to the cost, crowd, and insufficient range distances.

 

[ejcrist]

I'm a firearms owner and have been all my life. I have mostly hunting and competition firearms but others as well. I also build flintlock rifles but technically they're not considered firearms. I am very attached to my hardware and wouldn't part with it for anything. I love all aspects of the sport from casting my own handgun bullets to hand loading, etc. I guess I watched way too many John Wayne movies and Gunsmoke episodes as a kid.

I get very irritated whenever I hear talk about restricting firearms from law abiding citizens. If you took the anti-gun philosophy to the extreme we would all live in confinement where none of us could get hurt but we wouldn't be allowed to do anything and life wouldn't be what it is. Like most everything, if you have certain freedoms there will always be someone who abuses it or injuries as a result. If you don't want any car accidents you'd have to ban cars but then we wouldn't get the benefits from them that most enjoy, which of course doesn't make sense. Guns are similar in that if you ban them we wouldn't have the benefit of using them for self protection, hunting, competition, etc. I'm totally ok with very, very limited restrictions such as not allowing violent convicts, abusive spouses, etc., not to own firearms, but I am not in favor of restrictions that would also inhibit law abiding citizens from owning them. I certainly don't have all the answers but in general I'm very much against gun control because the freedom to keep and bear arms is what truly makes a country like ours free in my opinion.

 

[Lisa Wood]

I also am pro gun. I grew up with guns and was an avid hunter. I am old enough to have seen the violence grow out of control.
I no longer hunt yet have all my firearms and will not give them up. I will defend my family and property at all cost.
I believe in more thorough background checks. If you want a
gun you can wait for it. If you cant wait, that's a good reason you shouldn't have one.  I think if more responsible people carried a weapon it would cut down on violent crime as the person intent on committing  a crime with a weapon knows they are most likely the only one armed. There are many instances in mass shootings that could have been less horrific if a responsible person had a weapon and had the opportunity to take the idiot out. That being said, we almost all have the right to get a concealed carry license (I do have one) yet it does me no good if I can't carry into a club, theater,
restaurant, or grocery store, as almost all establishments where I live don't allow it. The old America that I remember seems to be fading with bulls@#& politics and so many people feeling entitled without effort to make there own way. This is America, built on immigration and a fair shot for everyone if your willing to work for it. If we want to in America then be an American, speak English, live your life responsibly and let others live theirs.

I also believe in thorough background checks, and keeping firearms away from a group of mentally ill. I dont know which conditions would be eliminated from ownership, but right off the bat: people who are suicidal, have anger and impulse control issues? That would be using COMMON SENSE, another principle my Dad taught me that seems to be extinct, even in politics.
My brothers mentally ill girlfreind was dead set on buying a gun, and I cant remember what I said to her, but she is clearly too sick to have a gun. Someone would get shot.
However, I do not believe certain types of firearms should be illegal, as the violent criminals already out gun our own PDs.
JBCluckers, NRA states that the majority of crazy murderous criminals are taken out by good guys who can shoot. And as you stated, we have the precedent of a few Euro countries to proove that Obamas THEORY that the way to end violence in the US is to make guns illegal. Of course the Pres knows these stats, but i guess he also thinks like guns, if he keeps info like this out of our brains, it will keep us from thinking. Just amazing.
And for those who are spending too much scratch fun shooting range, consider SC. We go to my girlfreinds house, because she has enough acreage to kake it safe.

 

[BruceAZ]

Hey Bruce - Just a thought here but have you gone to Phoenix Rod and Gun, Ben Avery, or Rio Salado? Ben Avery and Rio Salado are run by Game and Fish but you can become a member at Rio Salado and pay either no or minimal fees. I belong to Phoenix Rod and Gun and there's no fees other than a yearly membership of $90 for an individual. Just wanted to mention it because I hear a from a lot of people that pay by the hour but I never considered it due to the cost, crowd, and insufficient range distances.

$90 a year for unlimited use? that's not bad. is it an outdoor range ? I've never been to an outdoor range before

indoor ranges will charge about $14-$20/hr per lane

they do have annual membership but pretty pricey

$200-$500 a year.. there's a lifetime (some limited to 10 yr) membership.. but i think it's $4000-$5,000 !!

this is one of the ranges that i use
http://www.c2tactical.com/memberships/

there are also caswell's and ted shooting range

However, I do not believe certain types of firearms should be illegal, as the violent criminals already out gun our own PDs.

those guns were probably acquired illegally.. and there's little/nothing we can do about it

making things illegal will not stop the flow of illegal products..

the war on drugs is a good example..

in Arizona.. automatic weapons are illegal.. few law abiding citizens have them but criminals will have no problem getting their hands on them though

but this is how the laws work

 

[ejcrist]

$90 a year for unlimited use? that's not bad. is it an outdoor range ? I've never been to an outdoor range before

indoor ranges will charge about $14-$20/hr per lane

they do have annual membership but pretty pricey

$200-$500 a year.. there's a lifetime (some limited to 10 yr) membership.. but i think it's $4000-$5,000 !!

this is one of the ranges that i use
http://www.c2tactical.com/memberships/

there are also caswell's and ted shooting range



those guns were probably acquired illegally.. and there's little/nothing we can do about it

making things illegal will not stop the flow of illegal products..

the war on drugs is a good example..

in Arizona.. automatic weapons are illegal.. few law abiding citizens have them but criminals will have no problem getting their hands on them though

but this is how the laws work

Most of the ranges are outdoor but there is a smallbore indoor range. I'm not sure what all you're shooting but there's a variety of ranges from Bullseye to 500 yard rifle. They also have very active IDPA, Steel Challenge, and IPSC events. PR&G is where the annual IDPA South Mountain Showdown is shot. There are fees for shooting in events and weekly matches but it's minimal and for the maintenance of the club. But for just using the ranges on your own as a member there's no extra charge. A family membership is only $100 a year. Believe it or not it was far less expensive back in PA where I moved here from but then again back there had a club range about every 5 miles or so. But yeah, when people were telling me the prices charged at the indoor ranges I 'bout fell over. There's no way I could shoot to my satisfaction at those places. Here's the link for PR&G membership info in case you want to look into it: http://www.phoenixrodandgun.org/Membership/Membership.html

They also have a public range where you can pay I think it's $10 to shoot all day on Saturdays and Sundays. If you're a member of course you don't have to pay. Personally I don't shoot on the public range until after it closes to the public just to avoid the crowds, but I have shot during public times and it's usually nowhere near as crowded as the indoor ranges, and the public range goes out to 100 yards which is more than most indoor places. If you have any questions or need more info feel free to PM me and I'll tell ya what I know.