Dog attack...dog dead. update Pg 4

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The thing that scares me is what some people will actually do in retaliation. I have some friends that kept their dog outside. The neighbors dog would come over and beat the living crap out of the poor thing. They confronted the neighbor - no change, called the police - they wouldn't do anything, and said shoot it if it's on your property & you have to... Well, needless to say, that's what happened. Just a little while later they found their dog outside dead to poisoning
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I knew their dog from when he was a puppy - he was the sweetest thing ever, and died simply because somebody was just arrogant & stupid. It's such a shame we are forced to do these things in life!

i am glad that everybody is alright, and that the husband seems to have a grip on reality
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No-one can ever agree on everything- people feel strongly about things, and that is ok. I just get rankled about the celebratory tone of so many posts about the killing of the roaming dog or cat doing what they tend to do when they see prey. I have to end the lives of animals on a daily basis sometimes, and it is something I have never done in a tense situation, in anger or out of fear for myself or my own pets- so I can't completely relate to the situation in the yard where there is fur and feathers flying. I think from my perspective- and it probably does not fit with many chicken folk here, the dog's life does have more importance than the chicken- BUT people can bond with any critter I do not deny. The pet dog vs the meat chicken that is going to be killed in a week anyway or bird that will be sold in a few days- that is more a monetary issue. The loved pet chicken vs the neighborhood bad dog, might be a different story. I never hope to find myself in that situation either, we each have to speak from our own experience- yes? If a person's life & limb is ever in danger by a roaming dog- that is completely different. I feel confident in assessing a dog and deciding on whether I can get a leash on him, or if I just want to throw gardening/farm tools & bricks at him to get him to go away. Or hide in the house and call animal control. We are blessed here with an animal control that is helpful and will come when called. If children are present and in danger, all bets are off. I do know that if a dog is after my birds, I will attempt to catch it, or if that is not possible- chase it away. I just can't rationalize dog life for chicken life, I care about my chickens quite bit, but if push comes to shove- I care about my dog more- and tend to extrapolate to other people's dogs as well. If the same dog comes after my kids, I would have no qualms about doing it great bodily injury...
I also see *some* of these situations I keep reading about as more of a road rage reaction. Bottled up anger over a situation out of the person's control + a weapon= violence. Sometimes people react out of anger, and take it out on the pet instead of the owner who is really the one at fault. Again, if a person is in danger from the dog- this is different.
I just need to not read topics in predators and pests and go back to where I usually hang out.
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Wow. I clicked on this and had no idea what I was getting into. Cetawin, I just couldn't find a single thing in your rant that I could disagree with. I like you and wish you well, always.
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I dont know where you live, but in a lot of places AC will not respond to dogs attacking someones livestock. chickens are livestock,catagorized right up there with goats, horses and cattle.
99% of all AC people are terrified of dogs. how they get their positions is truely amazing. In a LOT of places AC is lazy, careless and just as ignorant as any unenlightened pet owner.

Sometimes dog owners do have well trained animals, unfortunately that excellent training is tossed the minute the dog gets away from the owner. and it does happen. a Dog is a Dog, it will do what ever it pleases when the commands are not present.

Look at the original posters comment on her GSD, well trained, but went after a child.
Think about what is being said before you decide to castrate someone for doing what is necessary.
NO one enjoys killing someones animal, no one is trying to glorify it.
If it ever comes down to the point again where my neighbors dog wipes out$200.00 worth of water fowl again I will have to take the dogs life.
He has been warned his wife was warned repeatedly. Her last warning came when she nearly ran me over with her vehicle chasing down her dog.
She drove her vehicle at a high rate of speed into the small driveway that seperates her property from mine. I just happened to be in her way on my side when she flew in.
It got ugly and the police got involved. cited her for reakless driving, you cant come off a highway and into a drive way at 40 miles an hour it seems,, gee go figure.
So see not always do people act responsibly when their animals are involved. and speaking with some people is more hassel than they animals are worth.
as for a chciken being just a chicken and a dog being of more inportance, I must say if you feel that way , why do you have chickens?
You know sooner or later you are going to have to decide if the dog is killing chickens what you are going to do about it.
Just because some one sells a few chicks or chickens, sells the eggs or puts their birds in the freezer for a later date does not mean the dog is more valuable. Personally I would never eat a dog , but the eggs, and chciken that do go in the freezer yes I will , thats less money spent at the grocery store.

Right now money is tight everywhere and a lot of people will soon be depending on their birds for back up resources. whether it be just the eggs or the bird itself.
I know if I can sell a dozen eggs that an extra gallon of milk or much needed medication can be purchased.
If I can sell a couple hens or a couple of chicks, I "Might" be able to put that few dollars toward a bill that needs paying.
To put it the way you did as to whats the big deal you might sell the birds or eat them is very condicending on your part.

I agree with what Cetawin had to do, if you cant protect your investments why would anyone have them to start with.
Leaving a dog to ravage a flock or herd of any animal is like giving a stranger a blank check and just how many of us would do that?
ugh and here I was promising myself I was not going to respond to this post.
 
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Almost sounds like you are advocating that irresponsible owners get shot instead???
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The reason people seem celebratory isn't because they just killed something, it is because they just saved the lives of their livestock and pets.

As far as a dog being more important than a chicken?! I don't care what or who it is, anything comes on my property uninvited meaning to do harm (be it 4 legged critter or 2 legged critter) it will find out that my home security system is backed up by Smith and Wesson. That is my food and MY livelihood.

Many people who are returning to the farm lifestyle forget that hunting, fishing and yes, shooting predators is a daily function of any regular farming operation or hobby farm. Sometimes you don't have to like it, you just have to do it.
 
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There is no difference between a dog and a pet chicken, in my mind, no hierarchy of importance. Even with meat chickens, why should one person suffer monetary loss, especially in this terrible economy, just because someone else is negligent in some way and their dog is roaming? Folks in other countries eat dog as well, though we would never think of it. I have chickens who show real affection, that I love as much as I've loved any dog I've ever had...and trust me, I've adored my dogs. My chickens are not meat chickens. They beg to be picked up and held, some of them to the point of being mildly annoying, LOL. I have one rooster, especially, that I love as much as I've ever loved a dog. So, you bet me and picklebird are gonna disagree to the max.

I see no celebration in Cetawin's attitude. I know her pretty well now. She was devastated that she had to shoot a dog, but she did right and I would do exactly the same thing, though I bet I wouldn't have been as good a shot as she was. Simply, comes down to "my pet vs your pet" and on my property, my pet wins.

It does not matter why it's there or how it got there, whether it was a pet who just got out once or a dog/cat who is allowed to roam habitually, it only matters that it is there and I will protect my birds and other animals.
 
Wow - this is really, really sad. This dog, no matter what was someone's pet!! Get a paintball gun, get a b-b gun. Was it really, really necessary to kill the dog????? It's not the dog's fault, why couldn't you just scare it off? How would you feel if someone shot your dog? What if your "rooster" got out and attacked a kid? How would you feel if someone killed your rooster?

I thought I liked this forum - I thought I could overlook the breeding and selling of dogs like they were a commodity, but I just can't "overlook" certain things anymore. This is a deplorable thing you have done. All of you that are in support of this should be ashamed of yourselves!

I can understand the "protect" your own mentality, but to come on here and "brag" up the deed you have done? I am truly ashamed to be a member of this forum, and even more angry that I paid to help support what I thought was a good forum.

You need to re-read the rules of this forum. If this bothers you, perhaps spend time away from the Predators section.
*Although some ways are not considered ideal to some, it serves the purpose of removing the offending predator. If you have an idea or a helpful comment, please do reply. If it is a sarcastic comment about the disposal or capture of a predator, please keep your thoughts to yourself. We are not here to judge one another on methods or ways and means.

*Compassion will go a long way toward helping to educate and help solve someone's predator problem. No matter the reason, most members' birds are their pets and being a chicken doesn't make it less of a pet than a house cat or companion dog. Please don't lecture or hassle anyone about their losses. Glass houses......

Carry on!
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Shooting a dog with a paintball gun and BB gun is illegal and cruelty to animals. Last time I checked, a convicted murderer gets less time than someone getting a C2A charge...... It is however, NOT illegal to just out right kill the predator.
 
Again, the rules bear repeating here:

*Although some ways are not considered ideal to some, it serves the purpose of removing the offending predator. If you have an idea or a helpful comment, please do reply. If it is a sarcastic comment about the disposal or capture of a predator, please keep your thoughts to yourself. We are not here to judge one another on methods or ways and means.

*Compassion will go a long way toward helping to educate and help solve someone's predator problem. No matter the reason, most members' birds are their pets and being a chicken doesn't make it less of a pet than a house cat or companion dog. Please don't lecture or hassle anyone about their losses. Glass houses
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Carry on!
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How would you feel if someone shot your dog? What if your "rooster" got out and attacked a kid? How would you feel if someone killed your rooster?

If my dog got out, it would be my fault. I have several fences to keep her in and spent lots of $$$ to make sure she doesn't leave. If my dog was after someone's livestock, they'd have every right to shoot her.
My rooster I was talking about is crippled and cannot walk or defend himself, so he's not going anywhere. He cant get away from an attacking predator so I have to defend him. I do not keep aggressive roosters on my property and they are fenced in as well, anyway. However, if a rooster left my property, I have no say in what happens to him and it would be my own fault if something did. So none of those questions have meaning to me. I keep my animals at home to the best of my ability and it is the job of any dog owner to do the same.​
 
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