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Put $1500 in a savings account RIGHT NOW. That's how much it'll cost for her c-section.

I hate to get into the "nobody can breed dogs except me" arguments, because I DO breed my dogs - but honestly breeding dogs is not "fun." It's enormously expensive and heartbreaking and if you do it right you will lose thousands and thousands of dollars every litter. Nobody can make money on dogs unless they cut corners, because dogs are not a production animal and you can't cull them (well, you can't cull them and have anybody call you responsible, anyway). If you're not doing it because you are so head-over-heels for the Golden Retriever breed that you are actually improving it by breeding your girl, save yourself an enormous amount of trouble and spay her before they breed.

Average sale price of a well-bred Golden puppy is $1000-1800 right now. So when I say a puppy's sale price below, that's what I mean.

If you do it right, you'll typically spend about two puppies' price on health testing before they breed. Goldens need hips and eyes and hearts and thyroid and a few others depending on the lines you're working with, and you should know the pedigree and who's had cancer and try to breed away from it.

Since you presumably didn't have them health tested first, you'll still pay for it in the end, because you'll have to take adult dogs back when they end up with issues and need treatment the owners can't afford. But you'll make a little more on the front end.

A c-section is another puppy's price.

You should plan on "losing" two more puppies (the sales price, at least) to the cost of raising the puppies to eight weeks. Besides the unimaginable amount of laundry you'll do, and the cost of losing someone's work for a week at least (I sleep beside the whelping box for ten days, which means I am not working during that time), they need to be wormed every two weeks and they need first shots before they leave. If any are being sold across state lines they need a health certificate from the vet, which runs me about $75 per puppy. They'll eat a huge amount too.

With a fifth puppy gone as a stud fee, you can see that you'd have to have a minimum of six puppies and NO c-section and sell everybody for $1000-1800 each just to break even and keep one. And that just breaks you even; doesn't pay for the years you raised the female or for her food or for showing her or for anything else. Just getting the puppies on the ground and gone.

Since putting a championship on a dog typically costs me $5000 or more, my females don't start making me money until they produce something like 40 puppies... in other words, they NEVER make me money. Dog breeding is just a big hole you throw money into. My spayed and neutered pets are the only ones who don't completely bleed us dry
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If you read my description and say "Wow, sounds awesome" and you actually mean it... go breed your dogs. If that sounds either a) untrue and crazy, or b) like nothing any sensible person would do, tell your kids that they can breed their girl when they have five grand in the bank and nothing better to do with it.
 
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are people seriously going to bash Mahonri for breeding his dog? silly......yea there are lots of adoptable goldens on petfinder.com....there are also hundreds of adoptable chickens, geese, ducks yet we continue to breed them....I think as a mature adult he is able to make his own decision on his own dog, its not as if he is a 17 year old kid breeding pitbulls and selling them on the street for $40....also not everyone wants an adult golden with an unknown past like thoes on petfinder...I know if im getting a purebreed dog I will go to a breeder everytime, I want to know exactly what I am getting, if there are any genetic health probs, temperment of the parents ect.....

good luck and we expect puppy pics!
 
Here are some adoptable pure golden retrievers in Arizona

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17964197

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17869953

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17937917

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17964186

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17729437

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17937931

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17791322

That list is VERY long, so these are just a few. To me, it really doesn't look like we need any more dogs. If you want another golden, consider adopting one! They are already trained, and they will forever love you for saving them from death.
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Yes, people are.

There are adoptable chickens, geese, etc, but here's the thing. Culturally, we consider those edible. I personally don't see how we have too much food, but I know others disagree. As Blacksheep pointed out, you don't have any easy options with too many dogs. You HAVE to find homes for them.

Ethically, what's the difference between this situation and a 17 year old kid breeding and selling pit bulls (and I rarely see them on Craigslist for under $100)?

You almost know exactly what you're getting from a breeder IF that breeder that breeder has taken the steps Blacksheep outlined below-otherwise it's as much of a c**pshoot as getting a puppy from a shelter.
 
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I don't think anyone is bashing him. He asked for advise and we are giving it.


also not everyone wants an adult golden with an unknown past like thoes on petfinder...I know if im getting a purebreed dog I will go to a breeder everytime, I want to know exactly what I am getting, if there are any genetic health probs, temperment of the parents ect.....

He won't know his puppies histories either and it doesn't sound like he is testing for any of the genetic health probs of this breed. Maybe he is, but he didn't post that he was. He knows his dog and what his friend has told him about their dog. That is it for any history details for these future puppies.

No one said to go to petfinder. I just used it as an example of how many unwanted Goldens there are, with the point of, why add to that population.​
 
Guys let's not make this a "Personal Attack". He stated on his first post that his Kids wanted to breed their grump, so his wife gave them premission to have the stud come over. He is trying to find out what to do now that he might possibly have a bred dog so he can do his best with what has been done.
 
The dogs haven't bred yet, so everyone is trying to stop it BEFORE it happens.

If the breeding is done and he wants pregnant-dog care, I am happy to send him thousands of pages of articles on taking care of her. But right now it hasn't happened, so he's got a chance to make another choice - which, given that he doesn't really want the puppies, seems best all around.
 
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I fostered a 4.5 month old backyard bred or puppymill bred stray collie. I almost adopted him out to a Mom and her 10 yr old boy. He saw him on the rescue website, fell in love with him and would say goodnight to him on the website every night. We did a home visit and they really wanted him. About that time we figured out that he probably had dermatomyositis, an inherited sometime fatal disease, not flybites like the vet told me. I knew he would need continued veterinary care and meds and that he could not be out in the sun for long and could not be the dog the little boy wanted so I kept him. He is 8 years old now and has cost thousands of dollars in vet bills and is on meds three times a day: tetracycline, niacinamide and twice per day: phenobarbital, levothyroxine, Vitamin E and fishoil capsules and special food. Besides the dermatomyositis, he had canine discoid lupus, seizure disorder and is hypothyroid. He has a weak immune system and can't walk in the wet or snow or his feet bleed and his hindquarters are getting very weak.
I'm not one who thinks that one should only breed to akc standard but I do think that one should breed primarily for health and temperament. I would try to be very sure of both before breeding your dog.
 
Your kids called the shots on the dog getting bred? Do they buy the dog food? Pay the vet bills? Buy puppy formula is needed? Will they stay up all night bottle feeding 8-14 pups if neccessary? Clean the whelping box 3 times a day for the first 4 weeks then pick up an average of 40-50 piles of puppy poop a day? Will they screen prospective new homes? Be available for the next year (at least) to take calls and answer questions from those new owners? Will they be able to take back any pups that may need to be returned in a few days, weeks, months, years?
 
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