Dog etiquette?

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We disagree also, but that happens with humans
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What kind of dogs do you have?

Right now? I have 2 saint bernards.. and i just had to have my mastiff put down.
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I have had several differnt dogs though over the years.
not a dog expert by any means...

Was just curious when you said HUGE dogs
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SO sorry about the mastiff
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I have biguns too... but my largest is only 120
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Right now? I have 2 saint bernards.. and i just had to have my mastiff put down.
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I have had several differnt dogs though over the years.
not a dog expert by any means...

Was just curious when you said HUGE dogs
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SO sorry about the mastiff
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I have biguns too... but my largest is only 120
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What do you have? My male saint is 160-170... good thing hes lazy...
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I'm okay with disagreeing, not taking it personally. I just happen to be one of those "innocent kids" harmed all grown up, and still do not believe it to be reason to put the dog down. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule, I'm just speaking about the type of scenerio posted here.

Thanks for being sorry about my face, but I'm pretty used to it for the most part. I notice it mostly when I touch my nose and feel the scar, or in some photos. I honestly feel more bad for that Lhasa though. Poor thing never had a chance. Bad owners who didn't look out for his safety or keep him in line, and he ended up being labeled a "bad dog". I think he was a good dog with bad upbringing.

Now, if the OP goes back to this book swap (sorry, I may have forgotten what the event was by now, lol) and the same lady is there, with the same dog, and he acts the same way, then yes, we have a problem. I'm sincerely hoping she was smart enough to realize this was a warning.


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Since the bite didnt break the skin I would just consider it a puppy type play bite. No reason to put the dog down for that. And if no adult actually saw it happen how do you know a child wasnt poking at the dog or egging it on to nip. I know alot of kids that do that with out even realizing they are annoying a dog..

I have one dog that bites. Yes she is a known biter. I tell people if you stick your hand in my car your going to get bit. Sure enough people dont believe me and they try it any way.. They think she is cute so try to pet her.. THen all 4 pounds of her makes a grown man affraid of her. No one at my husbands work will even try to touch her now.

And my motto is.. If a dog bites you.. Bite it back.. I have never had a dog ever bite me again after I bit it back..
 
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Was just curious when you said HUGE dogs
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SO sorry about the mastiff
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I have biguns too... but my largest is only 120
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What do you have? My male saint is 160-170... good thing hes lazy...
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MacKenzie River Huskies and they are FAR from lazy....lol For me it's a good thing they are 1/4 lab!
 
I have had the opporunity to have participated in many group dog training classes over a long period of time. I have observed many dogs with problem behaviors overcome those behaviors through training. In some dogs, the behavior or urge to do the behavior was changed or eliminated. In others, the dog learned to ebey and ignore his desire to do something inappropriate. These behaviors included dog agression, pet agression and child agression. It is actually not difficult to overcome agression problems in dogs. You do not even have to go to expensive training, just going and comitting to a dog training program and putting in the time and effort can mend or control agression behaviors. I would say that the only variable that I saw that ever predicted which dog would still be disobedient at the end of the course was the owners. Owners who came to class and refused to learn new concepts of dog training (Like clicker or reward/incentive) or didn't bother to practice and maintain the discipline at home. I am by no means an expert in dog training, but give me any dog and I promise that I can improve that dogs problem behaviors in 6 weeks or less. There are some exceptions, dogs with behavior problems based on poor socialization in puppyhood are very difficult to train, and abused dogs can be quite unstable. However, in the case of the dog at the park, I think a lot of wild assumptions are flying around about the dog and the owner.
First, we don't know if she realized that the park did not allow dogs. Sometimes people are just oblivious.
Second, we don't know if the dog had been agressive before, so lets take the owner at her word. Now she does know.
Third, is the dog genuinely agressive? We don't know. No adult really was able to witness the scene, (We can't trust the dog owners account, and the OP didn't see it) and the child probably was terrified and can't make an accurate judgement wabout it. We'll call it agression, but what kind? Excitement, fear, agression? We don't know.
Finally, this really may have been the first time the dog acted that way. We don't know if it is or is not, but maybe the owner is going to adress the problem correctly, by taking the dog to training. Since it was a minor act and according to the owner the first sign of agression, the dog is very likely to overcome this problem if the owner takes it for training. Lets hope she does that. It would be the right thing to do.

OP, this is what I think about the incident as it relates to you and your child. If I were you, I would try to take the lady at her word about the dog and her apology, and be glad this happend. First, because your child was uninjured, but also because now the dog owner is aware of a potential problem and can now take care of it before it can happen again. If it happens again, it could be more serious.
 
"You may think I'm proving the point to put down vicious dogs, but it's the opposite. I truly do not believe that either of those born-innocent dogs deserved to die. Even with a scar around my hip and one on my face, I still believe this. The dogs were not brought up right. It was the owners who behaved wrongly, and raised innocent dogs to know no boundaries, not calling them off or letting their kids torment the dog. This is the OWNER'S fault, not the dogs. There are no bad dogs, only bad owners!!"

well, they may be born innocent but unfortunetly through bad breeding and genetics some dogs are wired wrong. The willingness to but teeth on human flesh, unless the dog is in fear for it's life, is a huge problem. Dog that are trained to be attack dogs for military or police work have to be taught to do it, they will not start with a dog that bites. Dogs that willingly put teeth on people (I am not talking about puppy mouthing), have serious issues and with some, obedience training where they learn they are not the boss and do not have the right to 'correct' humans for behavior they find bothersome, but the ones that do it out of fear, nervousness, or any other owner thought up excuse are not safe to have around people and probably imo never will be. I agree with red hen, an attack upon a child or anyone if the dog is not injured or in a dog fight at the time is grounds (if I own it) to go bye bye, I will never apologize or loose everything I own in a law suit for a dog that has proven itself untrustworthey.
 
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Thank you, that is what I thought too. I am so glad my son told me, and it helped begin a discussion we continued at home about how to act around dogs you don't know, how to treat them with kindness, how to always ask permission from the owner before approaching, how to act towards dogs so you don't unintentionally provoke or frighten them.

I thought it was essential that I let the owner know, but to speak in a friendly helpful manner, not angry or blaming. (I'm sure if my son had been injured it would have been different!) I wanted her to have this information so she could take the appropriate action.

I appreciated the owner's apology to me & to my son. I don't know if this was the first time the dog had nipped at anyone, but she kept saying that the dog didn't act like that at home. Though she did say that being around lots of active children made (was making?) him "nervous". Maybe she already knew that fact, maybe she was just discovering it that day.

Since this wasn't my regular homeschool group I really didn't want to make a fuss. If it had been, I might have felt more like suggesting or insisting that the lady move away from the table with her dog or take it home. Maybe I should have mentioned the incident to the leader of this group before I left. I just hoped the owner would be more attentive of the children around her and keep a tighter hold on her dog.
 
Whenever a dog bites a person, whether it's "serious" or not, a boundary has been crossed and it's likely to be crossed again.

I get kind of hot over this issue, both of my neighbors have dogs that have bit my children and I'm really upset about their irresponsiblity. Their dogs come onto MY property to go after my kids and for the most part, they call them back before they get my kids, but I think that's really irresponsible and dangerous. My kids should be able to play safely in their own backyard! After the 2nd time their Shepard mix bit a child (absolutely unprovoked both times) on my property, I told them very firmly that they either needed to put that animal down or that she needed to be completely contained 100% of the time. She used to be able to hop their fenced yard, so they but a hot wire across the top and she hasn't been back. My older kids are now scared of all dogs but our own.
 

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