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How long ago did you get Dominiques from Cackle? I'm wondering if this might be a relatively new strain as I never got eggs anywhere near that dark from the pullets I got from them either crossed on another line or straight; they were all on the lighter side of your scale. (D to F) In fact, some of my eggs get described as "pink" by a certain family member.
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edited to add: I should start looking backward through these threads more often instead of only reading the last page...

First, photograph quality not best. Eggs to right (groups E and F) should be nearly white. Second, environmental variations (food) could vary greatly enough between yours and my place to result in my eggs appearing darker.

Cackle strain, which is the most recent acquisition, brought in August 2010. Cackle hatchery sub-contracts at least some of its hatching eggs out. I do not know if more than one subcontractor involved with doms. Cackles birds could vary as result. The Cackle line eggs do run smaller than the even darker Privett line. It is the latter line that I suspect has either barred plymouth rock or black java crossed into it recently. Privett subcontracts for other hatcheries like Ideal. The "pink" egg look might be a little lighter than what doms used to be known for. My sample sizes (number of hens) per line is small but differences between lines in respect to egg size and color are likely real.

My effort was not best but appears I was successful in showing some differences between strains. I hope to do same with adults but will need a back drop other than wifes fancy bathtub.

Another pattern in variation is that many of the show strains are flat out too big and have been selected to have feathering (morphology, not pigmentation) that approximates that of other large fowl breeds. Some dom show lines that in terms of type are more like what a barred plymouth rock should be than a barred plymouth rock does in fact look like. One of the show lines that is so highly promoted by a few on this website supposedly has some barred rock incorporated within the last 20 years or so.

The feathers are a big deal for me. Somewhere along line, we as dom breeders, have selected for feathers that do not repell water as they should. Many of my birds are kept along side American games and California greys where the birds can control exposure to rain. The doms, especially roosters, get soaked to core where covered by hackle feathers. All my strains do this so likely typical of breed. Games and California greys repell water nicely. This fall when molt starts up I will compare hackle feather under a microscope. Old pictures of doms show feathers that are similar to those of American games based on length, width and relative number of sicle feathers to flight feathers of tail. Maybe, as we selected against the smokey look to get better contrast between light a dark bars, we selected for slower growing and softer feathers creating what I consider to be a problem.

I set out to answer question in one sentence. Trying to avoid rain I guess.
 
Centra child, It could start pouring. But the proof is in the bird. Your idea of collecting the best flocks and closed breeding is the only way to go to save this breed. There are very few who breed this bird to the standard or are dedicated to specifics. It is a difficult situation all around with all the scenarios that have been thrown into the mix over the last 100 years. But as many that are on this thread know the future of the Dominique should be considered critical . And this thread is one of the great tools to keep the breed going to its deserved heritage status. off to church to praise his Name! best to all. John
 
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Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying the birds *can* control their exposure to the rain and care choosing to stand out in it until they are soaked to the skin? If that's the case, and they aren't suffering any ill effects from it, then how is it a problem? If they *are* choosing to stand in the rain until they get sick, then they're probably lacking intelligence, not hard feathering.
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I am sorry to say dominiques I have do not possess the greatest minds of the chicken world. I think they like to be where they can see. Pens used for broodstock has tarps that block direct rain and sunlight. When it rains with a little wind they may need to to move a foot or so to get out of way yet they like to stand near cage wire to look out. Even my games do this but their feathers shed water much more effectively. My free-ranging flock (made up in part of dominiques but led by games) also does not go to cover from rain during winter months but once trees come into leaf the flock will then seek cover. I am certain the birds are cold stressed but no health problems to date I can attribute to it. Problem is increased metabolic cost (requiring more feed) and increased potential for cold stress related health issues. My birds increase feed intake when it gets cold. The increase may be proportional to wind chill (temperature x wind speed x humidity) that would be made worse by wetted feathers at core.
 
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I am sorry to say dominiques I have do not possess the greatest minds of the chicken world. I think they like to be where they can see. Pens used for broodstock has tarps that block direct rain and sunlight. When it rains with a little wind they may need to to move a foot or so to get out of way yet they like to stand near cage wire to look out. Even my games do this but their feathers shed water much more effectively. My free-ranging flock (made up in part of dominiques but led by games) also does not go to cover from rain during winter months but once trees come into leaf the flock will then seek cover. I am certain the birds are cold stressed but no health problems to date I can attribute to it. Problem is increased metabolic cost (requiring more feed) and increased potential for cold stress related health issues. My birds increase feed intake when it gets cold. The increase may be proportional to wind chill (temperature x wind speed x humidity) that would be made worse by wetted feathers at core.

Interesting.... I've had the opposite - if it's bad weather, my birds are the first to stay under shelter, but that includes the juniper trees and bushes
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. It was really miserable the other day and they were all up on the roost by 3 oclock - made me think of lazy sundays on the couch with some nice chowder!

They take turns going out and eating, with each roo escorting his ladies out and then coming back in. They seem to do much better than the other breeds I've seen in the rain - but we also have a lot of dark birds - perhaps your theory of the dark smokey feathers carrying better watershed has some merit? It would be VERY interesting to see some microscopic shots of dark feathers vs light feathered birds - perhaps we should try that... hmmmmm....
 
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I've always considered "curiosity" and having an interest in their surroundings to be a sign of intelligence in an animal.

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It seems to me that if they're eating more, they're cold stressed whether they are getting wet or not. That's natural. My birds behave like WallTenters; they'll wander around in a light rain, but if those drops get very big or start falling heavy,they'll take cover. Currently, *all* of my birds are free ranging, I'm delaying setting up breeding pens this year until I can get my hands on a more reliable incubator, and it seems like they have about 100 places they'll hole up in in case of wet weather. A couple of my young cockerels have claimed the front porch as their official "weather station", and will set out a storm perched on the benches and porch swing. DI tell people they're decorative accessories.
 
Here are a few photos of my breeding partner Rhonda's cockerels. Not a good comb in the bunch, but a few had decent backs. These guys were hatched the last week of July and the first week of August in 2010, so still pretty young. We were going to do this culling about a month and a half ago, they've been a bit crammed in the bachelor coop. Now we know there are a few that can be eaten, so they'll have some more space
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We think #66 is actually our best bet. He was rather squirly and did not want to stand still for a photo shoot - but we marked down in his in-person evaluation that he had the best carriage and size of the cockerels we looked at. Some were just obvious culls - flat backs, we could a couple of photos of them but we wrote down "dinner" with little forks! We will be waiting to see how #59 does without the overcrowding.
 
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I like the shape of #66 too, nice looking guy. It looks like #59 has smaller wattles and a better comb, possibly more yellow in his shanks as well.
 

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