Don't sick and/or get accident if you don't have money

[chickened]

Dunkopf, I have seen plenty of people get BUCKED off by the horse but fewer that fell off (those that fell didn't really belong on one or should own one, as with your case) which gets to my point about insurance costs why should I pay for someone else stupidity? You as an insurance person knows that rates are set based on risk of the groups and then spread out so all pay for the risk takers. It should be like life insurance and the rates set on the individual. I should not have to pay for say a skydiver instructor or subsidize his rate because I use common sense. I have been in the logging business for over 25 years and have never been injured and have been driving for over 30 years and never been in an accident but then I was taught to think things through and not engage in risky "hey ya'all watch this" behavior. And by the way I was raised on a horse farm I can send you photos... as if It matters to me whether you believe me or not.

 

[Dunkopf]

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What I did was indeed stupid only because I rode the horse from a corral where I was walking it into a fenced pasture. The horse was a retired cutting horse and we have one cow that shared the corral with him usually. They were good friends. The horse was very responsive to neck reining and I nudged him up to a trot. The cow saw him and got up off the ground and started trotting. At that point the horse broke into a gallop which was ok because it's more comfortable on a quarter horse than trotting is. At the time it didn't occur to me what he was doing. So when the cow made a hard right to evade him and the horse did the same thing as he had been trained to do it caught me off guard. I was not showing off or being a hero. That isn't even in my personality. The stupid part was that I didn't realize immediately what he was doing or I would have pulled him in. I do know how to ride a horse. This was a relatively new horse and only my wife had ridden him at that point.

Everyone has accidents. I'm sure you have had a few. Everyone gets sick too. The problem is that we have a me first society. The attitude of why should I pay for someone else's stupidity because I'm so freakin perfect prevails in this country. That's one of the things that will lead to the failure of our society.

Don't bother with the pics. I don't really care where or how you were raised. By the way I put on 40k miles a year and haven't had an accident because I was taught the same thing. My parents taught me empathy and respect for other people in addition. I could send you a book if you would like to fill in the gaps.

 

[farmerlor]

Listen buddy, I too was raised on a horse farm. I've shown horses professionally, trained horses that were considered untrainable and taught horseback riding. I trained horses in the good ol' days when we put wild horses into a chute, slapped a saddle on them and rode them until they figured out who was boss. Just an aside but I really like the new natural horsemanship better. I've been bucked off wild horses, I once stupidly fell off when I was a child because I didn't cinch the saddle on a horse who liked to suck air and I've been knocked over by a draft horse who didn't understand personal space. On the other hand I did most of my riding without a bridle or saddle, using just leg cues to communicate with my horse. You want to compare who's more experienced at horses? Bring it on.
So when I got on this horse AFTER my husband had fallen it was to make sure the horse was going to understand that that sort of behavior was not acceptable, that he does NOT cut cows unless asked to and to let him know that while my husband was inexperienced I was not. Remember that I had ridden that horse several times after getting him but he was still relatively new to us so while I was beginning to trust him I probably shouldn't have put an inexperienced rider on him. I got on the horse and he behaved like he always did when I rode him. Respectful, listening, responsive to leg cues, light on the neck, we were doing very well when I decided to let him go into a gallop just to see how he was going to act with me as that's what happened with the husband. And that's the last thing I remember about that ride. There was no cow to chase, he'd just figured out that a good way to rid himself of a rider was to turn 90 degrees at full gallop which you can understand looks a lot like a buck with both hind legs in the air, the turn being accomplished with a swivel of the torso. When I landed I had a seizure and was altered mentally when I came to. It was the hardest hit I've ever taken.
Before you stand in judgment on what was surely an ACCIDENT you might want to take a step back. You were not here, you don't know the circumstances and you don't know the people or the animals involved.

 

[KristyHall]

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What I did was indeed stupid only because I rode the horse from a corral where I was walking it into a fenced pasture. The horse was a retired cutting horse and we have one cow that shared the corral with him usually. They were good friends. The horse was very responsive to neck reining and I nudged him up to a trot. The cow saw him and got up off the ground and started trotting. At that point the horse broke into a gallop which was ok because it's more comfortable on a quarter horse than trotting is. At the time it didn't occur to me what he was doing. So when the cow made a hard right to evade him and the horse did the same thing as he had been trained to do it caught me off guard. I was not showing off or being a hero. That isn't even in my personality. The stupid part was that I didn't realize immediately what he was doing or I would have pulled him in. I do know how to ride a horse. This was a relatively new horse and only my wife had ridden him at that point.

Everyone has accidents. I'm sure you have had a few. Everyone gets sick too. The problem is that we have a me first society. The attitude of why should I pay for someone else's stupidity because I'm so freakin perfect prevails in this country. That's one of the things that will lead to the failure of our society.

Don't bother with the pics. I don't really care where or how you were raised. By the way I put on 40k miles a year and haven't had an accident because I was taught the same thing. My parents taught me empathy and respect for other people in addition. I could send you a book if you would like to fill in the gaps.

I have to wonder how much Chickened has been on horses. EVERYONE falls off if they ride long enough, especially when they are learning.

There is a saying around here , especially by a lot of old retired horse breeders and trainers "you're not a real horseman until you've hit the ground more times than you can count"

mind you most of these trainers use gentle techniques where bucking is rare. most horses have ground work and manners before anyone gets on them for the first time in the horse's life.

But horses pivot, spook, sometimes the person is worn out, weak, unused to the particular horse and how they turn/stop,or distracted.

it happens.

 

[farmerlor]

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What I did was indeed stupid only because I rode the horse from a corral where I was walking it into a fenced pasture. The horse was a retired cutting horse and we have one cow that shared the corral with him usually. They were good friends. The horse was very responsive to neck reining and I nudged him up to a trot. The cow saw him and got up off the ground and started trotting. At that point the horse broke into a gallop which was ok because it's more comfortable on a quarter horse than trotting is. At the time it didn't occur to me what he was doing. So when the cow made a hard right to evade him and the horse did the same thing as he had been trained to do it caught me off guard. I was not showing off or being a hero. That isn't even in my personality. The stupid part was that I didn't realize immediately what he was doing or I would have pulled him in. I do know how to ride a horse. This was a relatively new horse and only my wife had ridden him at that point.

Everyone has accidents. I'm sure you have had a few. Everyone gets sick too. The problem is that we have a me first society. The attitude of why should I pay for someone else's stupidity because I'm so freakin perfect prevails in this country. That's one of the things that will lead to the failure of our society.

Don't bother with the pics. I don't really care where or how you were raised. By the way I put on 40k miles a year and haven't had an accident because I was taught the same thing. My parents taught me empathy and respect for other people in addition. I could send you a book if you would like to fill in the gaps.

I have to wonder how much Chickened has been on horses. EVERYONE falls off if they ride long enough, especially when they are learning.

There is a saying around here , especially by a lot of old retired horse breeders and trainers "you're not a real horseman until you've hit the ground more times than you can count"

mind you most of these trainers use gentle techniques where bucking is rare. most horses have ground work and manners before anyone gets on them for the first time in the horse's life.

But horses pivot, spook, sometimes the person is worn out, weak, unused to the particular horse and how they turn/stop,or distracted.

it happens.

Yep, when I was training it was a point of pride to some trainers to point at a particularly well trained horse in the winner's circle and then show everyone which bone that horse broke on the trainer's body. The only bones I ever broke were from being stupid enough to go barefoot all the time and my horse stepped on my feet and broke my toes. Of course I didn't even bother to go to the doctors for those just rode my horse everywhere until the toes healed.

 

[KristyHall]

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I have to wonder how much Chickened has been on horses. EVERYONE falls off if they ride long enough, especially when they are learning.

There is a saying around here , especially by a lot of old retired horse breeders and trainers "you're not a real horseman until you've hit the ground more times than you can count"

mind you most of these trainers use gentle techniques where bucking is rare. most horses have ground work and manners before anyone gets on them for the first time in the horse's life.

But horses pivot, spook, sometimes the person is worn out, weak, unused to the particular horse and how they turn/stop,or distracted.

it happens.

Yep, when I was training it was a point of pride to some trainers to point at a particularly well trained horse in the winner's circle and then show everyone which bone that horse broke on the trainer's body. The only bones I ever broke were from being stupid enough to go barefoot all the time and my horse stepped on my feet and broke my toes. Of course I didn't even bother to go to the doctors for those just rode my horse everywhere until the toes healed.

you sound like my kind of person!

 

[farmerlor]

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Yep, when I was training it was a point of pride to some trainers to point at a particularly well trained horse in the winner's circle and then show everyone which bone that horse broke on the trainer's body. The only bones I ever broke were from being stupid enough to go barefoot all the time and my horse stepped on my feet and broke my toes. Of course I didn't even bother to go to the doctors for those just rode my horse everywhere until the toes healed.

you sound like my kind of person!

Yep, judging by your sig tag we were separated at birth.

 

[KristyHall]

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you sound like my kind of person!

Yep, judging by your sig tag we were separated at birth.

wooo! long lost sibling!

 

[chickened]

Sometimes knowing which horse to get on or not get on takes more sense than staying on one

ever think about that one? When you have 50 plus head of horses you learn which ones to stay away from. Dunkopf you act and sound like a city person that converted to riding as an adult just as Christopher Reeves was. I will challenge you any time to horsemanship I have ridden some of the worst terrain in the West, Hells Canyon, Bitterroot Mountains, Bob Marshall Wilderness, and several other areas where calling for help on a phone was not an option. Most people and possibly you also have never left a trail or an arena and ridden barnsoured slugs and when you get on a good cutting horse you get dumped tells me you know way less than I know without seeing you ride.

Someones' attitude has no bearing on whether they should pay for someone else stupidity, did your good friends pay for yours?

I think you are confusing empathy and respect with charity. If charity is forced by another it is no longer charity. People that feel the way I do about paying for stupidity know the difference between giving something freely and forced contributions. And as far as being taught respect maybe you need a refresher and I can send you a book to read while you are laid up... to fill the gap.

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What I did was indeed stupid only because I rode the horse from a corral where I was walking it into a fenced pasture. The horse was a retired cutting horse and we have one cow that shared the corral with him usually. They were good friends. The horse was very responsive to neck reining and I nudged him up to a trot. The cow saw him and got up off the ground and started trotting. At that point the horse broke into a gallop which was ok because it's more comfortable on a quarter horse than trotting is. At the time it didn't occur to me what he was doing. So when the cow made a hard right to evade him and the horse did the same thing as he had been trained to do it caught me off guard. I was not showing off or being a hero. That isn't even in my personality. The stupid part was that I didn't realize immediately what he was doing or I would have pulled him in. I do know how to ride a horse. This was a relatively new horse and only my wife had ridden him at that point.

Everyone has accidents. I'm sure you have had a few. Everyone gets sick too. The problem is that we have a me first society. The attitude of why should I pay for someone else's stupidity because I'm so freakin perfect prevails in this country. That's one of the things that will lead to the failure of our society.

Don't bother with the pics. I don't really care where or how you were raised. By the way I put on 40k miles a year and haven't had an accident because I was taught the same thing. My parents taught me empathy and respect for other people in addition. I could send you a book if you would like to fill in the gaps.

 

[chickened]

We actually ground broke most of our horses and rarely would get bucked off, Obviously I have fell off a horse when I was a kid not as an adult, I have had to jump off before but did so knowing and realizing what the horse was going to do, I am agile and not overweight and do have enough experience with horses to tell when they are going to do something stupid and physically fit enough to react (I read a post where I believe Dunkopf is as round as he is tall, I think) which has an effect on ones' ability to react. Granted I ride less these days and yes I could have the same thing happen to me... if I allowed myself to get on a horse I didnt know which I do not do. I make my living by being healthy and able to work and will not risk injury to myself as I have people that depend on me.

A smart trainer uses young helpers for the bucking possibilities. I know that because as I said I was raised on a horse farm.
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What I did was indeed stupid only because I rode the horse from a corral where I was walking it into a fenced pasture. The horse was a retired cutting horse and we have one cow that shared the corral with him usually. They were good friends. The horse was very responsive to neck reining and I nudged him up to a trot. The cow saw him and got up off the ground and started trotting. At that point the horse broke into a gallop which was ok because it's more comfortable on a quarter horse than trotting is. At the time it didn't occur to me what he was doing. So when the cow made a hard right to evade him and the horse did the same thing as he had been trained to do it caught me off guard. I was not showing off or being a hero. That isn't even in my personality. The stupid part was that I didn't realize immediately what he was doing or I would have pulled him in. I do know how to ride a horse. This was a relatively new horse and only my wife had ridden him at that point.

Everyone has accidents. I'm sure you have had a few. Everyone gets sick too. The problem is that we have a me first society. The attitude of why should I pay for someone else's stupidity because I'm so freakin perfect prevails in this country. That's one of the things that will lead to the failure of our society.

Don't bother with the pics. I don't really care where or how you were raised. By the way I put on 40k miles a year and haven't had an accident because I was taught the same thing. My parents taught me empathy and respect for other people in addition. I could send you a book if you would like to fill in the gaps.

I have to wonder how much Chickened has been on horses. EVERYONE falls off if they ride long enough, especially when they are learning.

There is a saying around here , especially by a lot of old retired horse breeders and trainers "you're not a real horseman until you've hit the ground more times than you can count"

mind you most of these trainers use gentle techniques where bucking is rare. most horses have ground work and manners before anyone gets on them for the first time in the horse's life.

But horses pivot, spook, sometimes the person is worn out, weak, unused to the particular horse and how they turn/stop,or distracted.

it happens.