Dual-Purpose White Egg Layer

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by 3littlebirds, Mar 21, 2010.

  1. danhonour

    danhonour Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I agree a white egg ,dual purpose breed should have a place.It would be a great project for a group of breeders to work on (White Hollands). The Barred Hollands are still around.You can also make use of California Grays and California Whites. White Hollands did exist and may or maynot still be a few.Lamonas were a well made breed that may or may not be around (another good project).Sandhill has a White Dorking strain that produces both Rose and Single Combs.If White Leghorn or California Whites were mixed in once with White Dorking,then 4 toes,yellow legs would segregate back out and allow the yellow skin,4 toes,white eggs,single combs,red lobes,etc.We still have the original combinations and information on how Lamonas,White Hollands,Barred Hollands,and California Grays were made. It only takes,time,work and effort,to re-establish or re-make these.Some originals could turn up,with some serious searching. A very worthwhile effort,but more of an undertaking for a group than an individual.
     
  2. Chris09

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    Quote:There is two major things stopping it.
    One what was the imported Holland stock and two it will be next to impossible to get your hands on a Lamonas.

    This is how it is worded in the ASoP.
    Fowl imported from Holland crossed with White Leghorns Rhode Island Reds, Newhampshires and Lamonas were selected for desired characteristics, resulting in the breed known as the White Holland.

    Note -- The Lamonas is a general purpose breed that lays white and has Yellow skin. But Like I said it will be next to impossible to get your hand on a REAL Lamonas...

    Chris
     
  3. saladin

    saladin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:There is two major things stopping it.
    One what was the imported Holland stock and two it will be next to impossible to get your hands on a Lamonas.

    This is how it is worded in the ASoP.
    Fowl imported from Holland crossed with White Leghorns Rhode Island Reds, Newhampshires and Lamonas were selected for desired characteristics, resulting in the breed known as the White Holland.

    Note -- The Lamonas is a general purpose breed that lays white and has Yellow skin. But Like I said it will be next to impossible to get your hand on a REAL Lamonas...

    Chris

    Hollands were created using the following:

    Barred Rocks
    White Leghorns
    Australorps
    Brown Leghorns
     
  4. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    Quote:There is two major things stopping it.
    One what was the imported Holland stock and two it will be next to impossible to get your hands on a Lamonas.

    This is how it is worded in the ASoP.
    Fowl imported from Holland crossed with White Leghorns Rhode Island Reds, Newhampshires and Lamonas were selected for desired characteristics, resulting in the breed known as the White Holland.

    Note -- The Lamonas is a general purpose breed that lays white and has Yellow skin. But Like I said it will be next to impossible to get your hand on a REAL Lamonas...

    Chris

    Hollands were created using the following:

    Barred Rocks
    White Leghorns
    Australorps
    Brown Leghorns

    Your listing of breeds is for Barred Hollands. The breeds I listed are for the White Holland. There is 2 different varieties of the Holland Breed....

    Chris
     
  5. saladin

    saladin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Two flocks of Lamonas were located within the last 3 or 4 years. Stock will possibly be available within the next few years.

    On a personal note:

    1. When a composite breed disappears what have we really lost? IMO, not much if the original breeds used to create such still exist; especially when you are talking about a breed that was developed within the last century.

    2. IMO, you are just talking about another white chicken. That just doesn't do much for me.

    There are so many truly heritage breeds that are in need of preserving that I can't see the need to recreate a composite that is not even old anyway; that's just my opinion.


    As to Games, some strains do have aggressive females; most do not. Games also tend to be one of the least aggressive breeds with their human handlers. saladin
     
  6. saladin

    saladin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    My mistake Chris.
     
  7. NYREDS

    NYREDS Overrun With Chickens

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    There are so many truly heritage breeds that are in need of preserving that I can't see the need to recreate a composite that is not even old anyway; that's just my opinion.

    Excellent point! If Hollands & Lamonas were all that desireable they'd still be available in abundance. As it is the "recipe" for both is available so they could easily be recreated.​
     
  8. Long Horn Poultry Farm

    Long Horn Poultry Farm La Fleche ~The Devil Bird

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    Quote:Hi 3littlebirds

    The La Fleche breed is a dual-purpose white egg layer but they are a rather flighty breed for their size.[​IMG] [​IMG]






    Long Horn Poultry Farm
     
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  9. mistyfeather

    mistyfeather Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:There is two major things stopping it.
    One what was the imported Holland stock and two it will be next to impossible to get your hands on a Lamonas.

    This is how it is worded in the ASoP.
    Fowl imported from Holland crossed with White Leghorns Rhode Island Reds, Newhampshires and Lamonas were selected for desired characteristics, resulting in the breed known as the White Holland.

    Note -- The Lamonas is a general purpose breed that lays white and has Yellow skin. But Like I said it will be next to impossible to get your hand on a REAL Lamonas...

    Chris

    i know they left it alittle vauge [​IMG] they might not even know but......some where with enough serching someone could find that "fowl" breed , those thing were ALWAYS recorded SOMEWHERE ! breeders of any consiquence no mater in what century keep track of their breeder stock. or take a look into what types of bird were being brought over from holland during that time period , a shot in the dark but a neat hobby?(time consuming)
     
  10. 3littlebirds

    3littlebirds Out Of The Brooder

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    Quote:[​IMG] I completely agree! If only I had a big piece of land out in the country.

    Quote:Oh my gosh! I literally had the exact same idea of crossing a White Leghorn with a White Dorking. It would just take some selective breeding to isolate the desirable traits, but together those two breeds have everything you need.

    Quote:It is true that heritage breeds contain all of the genetic material necessary for composite breeds, but the true value of these genes are, as you say, that they can be used to create any composite breed necessary. If these founder genes are not used to create new breeds and just left alone, then how do they have any more value than a composite breed? I believe that heritage breeds certainly have their own merit as breeds, but what is really unique about them is that they contain the genetic building blocks necessary to create any genetic combination, and indeed if there is a need for these genes, they should be made use of. Conserving heritage poultry is of the utmost importance, but it does not mean that we should limit ourselves only to the oldest breeds. The nature of keeping domesticated animals is that they are altered by our desires, and responsible selective breeding should always be allowed to continue.

    And sure, there's nothing really impressive about a white chicken, but I am proposing a breed that would fill a practical niche. The White Leghorn may not be spectacular in appearance either, but it certainly has its place. There are ornamental breeds if you just want a chicken that looks pretty (and there's nothing wrong with that).

    I understand if you wouldn't be interested in a dual-purpose white egg layer; you don't have to be. I think as long as there is a good number of people who would find such a breed useful, there's no reason for it not to be bred.
     

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