Dubbed Rooster

[TexasLady]

Is it really against the law? I'd love to report him. I don't know where he's moved now.

He took the rooster with him. I just hate it, but it is done, and I can't control it any longer. He was a beautiful rooster, but he is not a fighting one.

I'm so glad he's gone. I no longer have to worry about my birds. He was working one that he turned super mean. We've been trying to make him nice, but I don't know if we can ever make him nice again. He's a white Rock--will attack whenever he sees people. Sad. We're working with him, but he isn't adjusting well. I caught him quite a few times, and he doesn't fight or be mean, but when he's on the ground, he is mean as a hornet.

 

[Nickeyo]

I was gonna say if he was still on your land If there was no alternative, get the bird, put it down pluck it, put the feathers on his lawn like a fox attack and if it was in a run, open the door just before he gets back let other hens out so it looks like a predator came. I am 100 percent against dubbing and here in the uk it is illegal unless it's by a vet for medical purpose or I fits done when the bird is under 72 hours old

 

[TexasLady]

Thanks for the reply.

I got the guy off my property by firing him for this and several other reasons. He took the bird. He likes the bird a lot as far as I can tell, and he thinks that dubbed birds are more attractive. His girlfriend cooed, "That is such a beautiful bird" right after he was dubbed. It sickens me, but it is done. I wish the bird the best of luck. He is a beautiful bird, and he put the bird with a bunch of rat tailed looking hens (look like fighting hens). He left them here for a few weeks after I fired him, and my husband was irritated when he went out and the birds were without water, so he let them loose. Shortly after that, the guy took the birds off my property.

I am also 100% against dubbing. Here in California, a dubbed bird is very often a bird that is going to fight. And when a person puts razors on a bird to fight them, then I think they should have the bird attack them with the razors on and see how pleasant it is for them to experience being chopped up with razor sharp blades. People need to experience what they cause animals to experience.

Every time I think about this, I get irritated again. I dislike liars, and when they disfigure an animal, then I really dislike and have a lot of disgust for that person.

I am reminded daily how glad I am this guy is GONE! I think about it all the time and tell everyone. My husband says he thinks the guy was a good worker. He was a poor worker, a bad liar, and an indecent human being IMO. He came back a week or so ago and knocked on the door. I know he was trying to figure out a way to ask me for his job back. He never asked, and I was shocked he would even consider asking me. He stood there, hemmed and hawed for a few minutes, making small conversation about nothing, and then he left. I thought to myself, "I would never have you back here. Even if I had to do the work you were doing by myself, you would never come back on my property. Even if you promised you'd do right, you wouldn't. I could never have you back." I guess he sensed that. He left. And I will probably never see him again. He had a good life and an easy job here, and he made choices that killed it for him. Funny how people tend to eat the goose that lays the golden egg.

So glad that ordeal is over!

Thanks everyone for all the advice. I don't know where he moved so I can't get the bird back. But he can't harm any more of my birds, so I'm glad about it.

 

[Mahlzeit]

Glad you're feeling better now that he is gone and out of sight.

 

[GOSPELSOLDIER]

Alot of people are so closed minded, and assuming people are automaticly going something wrong harmful or illegal is just wrong as a person. I own 26 Gamefowl birds all are dubbed completely. For all of you who don't know, in 2003 the national poultry council announced that dubbing your bird can cause short term stress but creates a long term welfare for your poultry flock. Combs if you don't know can grown excessive and cause the head to permanently sink into the chest to where the bird can't longer raise its head. My reasons for dubbing 1 it can very cold here to temps like last week of -15 with wind chills and so creates lots of possible chances for frost bites ( which can lead to gangrene) deceases etc. Second its a standard for showing their breeds in a poultry show or fair.
People need to learn how not to quickly judge others or jump to a conclusion. And obviously if its not a fighting bird or bred for fighting your neighbor wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong with him.

 

[TexasLady]

You have your own views on this, but it is ILLEGAL where I live. So my neighbor was doing something wrong AND illegal. And it draws the Animal Control to conclusions that the owners are fighting chickens, Why would anyone, for aesthetic purposes, want to call attention to yourself as a lawbreaker?

The bird was an Ameraucana cross. That means that his comb was not going to be large or heavy. I've owned numerous breeds of chickens for 50+ years, and I've never owned a rooster that had his head sink into his chest from his comb. I would guess that the birds that have this problem don't involve the numerous breeds I've owned.

We don't have negative temperatures here. We do have 110+ temperatures here in the summer. A rooster uses his comb and waddles to cool. Why would I want to cut him up so that he suffers more in the heat?

Do you use some kind of anesthesia to cut these parts off? They bleed a lot, and they lose a lot of blood. It is painful. Why inflict pain on an animal for no good use?

You have an opinion. That's fine. But before you want to force it on others, consider what is logical and illogical. For you and in your view, it is logical. For me and in my situation, it is illogical and it is counterproductive and cruel and useless. And it could cause me trouble with the law.

Just because it is your opinion that it is attractive and keeps combs from freezing does not mean that it is good for me when I don't have freezing temperatures like that and when they need combs for cooling.

Who is closed minded? I think it is you!

 

[gjensen]

Alot of people are so closed minded, and assuming people are automaticly going something wrong harmful or illegal is just wrong as a person. I own 26 Gamefowl birds all are dubbed completely. For all of you who don't know, in 2003 the national poultry council announced that dubbing your bird can cause short term stress but creates a long term welfare for your poultry flock. Combs if you don't know can grown excessive and cause the head to permanently sink into the chest to where the bird can't longer raise its head. My reasons for dubbing 1 it can very cold here to temps like last week of -15 with wind chills and so creates lots of possible chances for frost bites ( which can lead to gangrene) deceases etc. Second its a standard for showing their breeds in a poultry show or fair.
People need to learn how not to quickly judge others or jump to a conclusion. And obviously if its not a fighting bird or bred for fighting your neighbor wasn't doing anything illegal or wrong with him.

There is no logic mixed up in all of this. It is 100% emotion.

There is nothing wrong with people that do not like the idea of dubbing, and that some do dub their birds does not make them evil either. These birds do not feel sorry for themselves the way we do.

I liked the two suggestions to take the bird back and kill it. I think the bird would prefer not having a comb, LOL..

You cannot train a bird to be mean. They are or they are not. It is genetic, and when a bird is a "man fighter", there is something wrong upstairs and their is not a whole lot you can do about it. The last thing that you want to do is allow this bird to breed, because he will make more like him. The irony is, concerning people, the game breeds are often the most mild mannered of all of the breeds.

Since these birds were Jungle Fowl, male birds fought male birds, for territory and rights to the "flock". That is why they crow. They are "marking" their territory. Gamecocks have been bred for this trait (that is there naturally), and as a result of domestication many breeds have lost this trait. These are instinctive behaviors, not behaviors that were manipulated out of the birds.

I do not dub, and would not like having to. If I lived farther North, I would dub or have a breed that I did not have to dub. I had a discussion with some one not long ago about dubbing and frostbite on her bird's combs. Her reply that dubbing was cruel. I was kind of thinking that allowing them to have frost bitten combs was cruel. That is were the logic and emotion get mixed up.

I have no interest in, or do I condone cock fighting. It still exists but it is a dying sport. A few hundred years ago, a lot of people did it. Including the forefathers that is quoted in a signature on this thread. The Gamecock was second to the Eagle for the national animal. Shakespeare mentioned the gamecock as one of the few animals to be most admired.
Most people that keep these breeds today, keep them because they admire the breed. Many keep them in a manner in line with how they were historically kept. I do not think this makes the keeper or the birds evil. I do not have any, but I do admire the breeds. I admire their health, vigor and spirit that cannot be equaled by any other breed. The smartest, most vigorous, and most spirited birds I have ever been around have been game breeds. Some of the best keepers of fowl I have ever met, have been people that kept game breeds. The most well kept birds I have ever been around were game breeds.
I have seen many more poorly kept laying flocks or pet birds than otherwise. By people that are emotionally attached but have no clue what is best for the birds, or just irresponsible people in general.

What I am trying to do in this emotionally charged topic, is appeal for some reason. I guarantee if the dubbed bird was watched over a couple weeks, it would have been noticed that the bird never missed a beat. He was just as healthy and proud as he was before. The way a male bird should be. Vigorous, proud, and healthy.

I hope that we do not lose our game breeds, and we will unless the knowledgeable experienced keepers of these birds are continued to be allowed to do so in peace. Most of them do not fight birds anymore. It is still around, but it is a dying past time. Lets just not judge the majority over the minority.

And if someone's beliefs and philosophies differ than your own . . . give them some space. What I do is make a judgment based on the birds themselves. If they are vigorous and healthy, I feel good about what I see. If they are poorly kept, weak, and sickly, then I have a problem with how they are kept. These birds do not look in the mirror. They do not care if they have a comb or not. Make a judgment on the quality of care the bird receives. Not on a single moment in time. After the act of dubbing, the birds go back to doing what birds do. They do not lay up in bed feeling sorry for themselves like we would.

This is coming from someone that does not dub, doesn't like the idea of it, and prefers large combs. Also someone that is no fan of cockfighting.

 

[RingedTeal]

I have to put my two cents in here also. The whole part about the comb making them stop fighting is completely incorrect. The comb will not make them stop fighting all it does is give them something to hold onto in the fight.

 

[cjperrault1]

There is no logic mixed up in all of this. It is 100% emotion.

There is nothing wrong with people that do not like the idea of dubbing, and that some do dub their birds does not make them evil either. These birds do not feel sorry for themselves the way we do.

I liked the two suggestions to take the bird back and kill it. I think the bird would prefer not having a comb, LOL..

You cannot train a bird to be mean. They are or they are not. It is genetic, and when a bird is a "man fighter", there is something wrong upstairs and their is not a whole lot you can do about it. The last thing that you want to do is allow this bird to breed, because he will make more like him. The irony is, concerning people, the game breeds are often the most mild mannered of all of the breeds.

Since these birds were Jungle Fowl, male birds fought male birds, for territory and rights to the "flock". That is why they crow. They are "marking" their territory. Gamecocks have been bred for this trait (that is there naturally), and as a result of domestication many breeds have lost this trait. These are instinctive behaviors, not behaviors that were manipulated out of the birds.

I do not dub, and would not like having to. If I lived farther North, I would dub or have a breed that I did not have to dub. I had a discussion with some one not long ago about dubbing and frostbite on her bird's combs. Her reply that dubbing was cruel. I was kind of thinking that allowing them to have frost bitten combs was cruel. That is were the logic and emotion get mixed up.

I have no interest in, or do I condone cock fighting. It still exists but it is a dying sport. A few hundred years ago, a lot of people did it. Including the forefathers that is quoted in a signature on this thread. The Gamecock was second to the Eagle for the national animal. Shakespeare mentioned the gamecock as one of the few animals to be most admired.
Most people that keep these breeds today, keep them because they admire the breed. Many keep them in a manner in line with how they were historically kept. I do not think this makes the keeper or the birds evil. I do not have any, but I do admire the breeds. I admire their health, vigor and spirit that cannot be equaled by any other breed. The smartest, most vigorous, and most spirited birds I have ever been around have been game breeds. Some of the best keepers of fowl I have ever met, have been people that kept game breeds. The most well kept birds I have ever been around were game breeds.
I have seen many more poorly kept laying flocks or pet birds than otherwise. By people that are emotionally attached but have no clue what is best for the birds, or just irresponsible people in general.

What I am trying to do in this emotionally charged topic, is appeal for some reason. I guarantee if the dubbed bird was watched over a couple weeks, it would have been noticed that the bird never missed a beat. He was just as healthy and proud as he was before. The way a male bird should be. Vigorous, proud, and healthy.

I hope that we do not lose our game breeds, and we will unless the knowledgeable experienced keepers of these birds are continued to be allowed to do so in peace. Most of them do not fight birds anymore. It is still around, but it is a dying past time. Lets just not judge the majority over the minority.

And if someone's beliefs and philosophies differ than your own . . . give them some space. What I do is make a judgment based on the birds themselves. If they are vigorous and healthy, I feel good about what I see. If they are poorly kept, weak, and sickly, then I have a problem with how they are kept. These birds do not look in the mirror. They do not care if they have a comb or not. Make a judgment on the quality of care the bird receives. Not on a single moment in time. After the act of dubbing, the birds go back to doing what birds do. They do not lay up in bed feeling sorry for themselves like we would.

This is coming from someone that does not dub, doesn't like the idea of it, and prefers large combs. Also someone that is no fan of cockfighting.

Preach