d'Uccle color genetics

[lilcrow]

This has been a very helpful discussion so far. Tomorrow I'll go take some pictures of this pair and see if anyone has an opinion about them.
Thanks again.
Nancy

 

[Doug the Chicken Man]

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I've heard we have both here, but I don't have gold necks, so I don't know for sure.

If your splash gold neck had one blue mille fleur parent, then the other had to have been either a blue mille fleur or a splash gold neck - chickens can't be "split to" Andalusian blue.

The mother was a blue mille fleur and the father was visually black mille fluer who was hatched from 2 Blue Mille Fluer.

This pair was housed seperate in order to increase our number of Blue Mille Fluer

And the Blue Mille Fleur on the left.

This pair was housed seperate in order to increase our number of Blue Mille Fluer

 

[lilcrow]

So what did/have you gotten from them so far? They are outstanding. I might like a little more pattern on the roo, but shoot you can't have perfection, the hen has plenty to make up for him. How old was he in the picture? He is just gorgeous! I think you know how I feel about the hen, I've already effused about her,

either here or in the other thread.

 

[TurtleFeathers]

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I've heard we have both here, but I don't have gold necks, so I don't know for sure.

If your splash gold neck had one blue mille fleur parent, then the other had to have been either a blue mille fleur or a splash gold neck - chickens can't be "split to" Andalusian blue.

The mother was a blue mille fleur and the father was visually black mille fluer who was hatched from 2 Blue Mille Fluer.

This pair was housed seperate in order to increase our number of Blue Mille Fluer

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/40058_100_1732.jpg

And the Blue Mille Fleur on the left.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/40058_p8260033.jpg

This pair was housed seperate in order to increase our number of Blue Mille Fluer

*I might be wrong*, but in your top pic, I see what I think is a blue mille fleur rooster, not a black mille fleur.

And in the bottom pic, I see what I think is a gold neck hen (probably a splash gold neck as indicated by the blue in her feathers) and a black mille fleur hen - I see no blue mille fleurs.

If the rooster in the top pic was bred with the hen on the left in the bottom pic - and if their genotypes are as I indicated above - you WOULD get splash mille fleur offspring from them (along with blue mille fleur). As I said, one cannot get a splash mille fleur from a blue mille fleur x black mille fleur breeding - its genetically impossible, because Andalusian blue cannot be "carried".

 

[lilcrow]

Hummm..........yup, Doug I'm pretty sure TurtleFeathers is right. I wasn't paying very close attention, so I apologize, but I was assuming you thought your roo was blue MF. He definitely looks blue to me. The hen I'm on the fence about, my golden neck is SO light that almost all the others look blue or leaning that direction. I keep saying I'm going to take pictures, I think I'll go do it now.

 

[Doug the Chicken Man]

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The mother was a blue mille fleur and the father was visually black mille fluer who was hatched from 2 Blue Mille Fluer.

This pair was housed seperate in order to increase our number of Blue Mille Fluer

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/40058_100_1732.jpg

And the Blue Mille Fleur on the left.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/40058_p8260033.jpg

This pair was housed seperate in order to increase our number of Blue Mille Fluer

*I might be wrong*, but in your top pic, I see what I think is a blue mille fleur rooster, not a black mille fleur.

And in the bottom pic, I see what I think is a gold neck hen (probably a splash gold neck as indicated by the blue in her feathers) and a black mille fleur hen - I see no blue mille fleurs.

If the rooster in the top pic was bred with the hen on the left in the bottom pic - and if their genotypes are as I indicated above - you WOULD get splash mille fleur offspring from them (along with blue mille fleur). As I said, one cannot get a splash mille fleur from a blue mille fleur x black mille fleur breeding - its genetically impossible, because Andalusian blue cannot be "carried".

I know what you are saying and I don't dissagree, I know that one copy of blue should dilute black and two should be splash but here are some of the offspring from this pairing. He was a young cocleral of 6 months at the time of that picture.

The one on the left has absolutly no black or blue on her at all, only white and gold.

And a cockeral (he looks better now than in that picture).

and a picture of the Hen when she was a pullet of 6 months.

 

[teddiliza]

Ok, we've talked about color a bunch, how about shoulder feathering? I have one rooster I've noticed that seems to have breakage of his shoulder feathers. He is porcelain. I've noticed a few chicks I think are his have a similar issue. I'm planning on selling him this fall if you all think this is a genetic thing, since I like my other mature rooster better anyway.

I've noticed that some of the porcelain and mille chicks I have are much lighter when hatched compared to my others who I also think are his offspring. Just a feeling, since he doesn't get as many of the girls. But he has the best beard and comb, and great color!!!! I just wish more foot feathers, and the shoulder feather thing.....

 

[lilcrow]

I think if your roo is throwing chicks with the same problem, it's time to send him packing.

Doug, when I look at the one pullet that is SO light, i.e., golden neck, that would bear out exactly what Kay is saying about your roo I believe. There is no way to get a splash unless you breed two blues together.

I'm fading fast, I'd better put this to bed for now and pick it up tomorrow. I took the pictures, now I just need to download them and see if there is anything worth looking at.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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If I understand you correctly, it is a problem caused by or related to the lavender gene.

 

[GypsyChic]

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If I understand you correctly, it is a problem caused by or related to the lavender gene.

Sonora, Isn't this close or similar to the same gene (in the lavenders) which causes/prevents little or no beards in the roo's?? I've noticed it in my own birds, the lavy boys have a tendance to have smaller beards and "somewhat" larger wattles. Am I correct with this assumption?

However if crossed w/different color, the issue isn't a 'visual issue' and results in bearded offspring...