Duck grower frees "dozens of thousands" of his ducks

[HenOnAJuneBug]

I'm not saying you should run for the hills. Its only 2% deadly which is pretty low even compaired to influenza. Just speculating as to why governments around the world are treating this outbreak like the plague when its not. Through current genetic engineering its possible to make a viris that only is lethal to people with certain genes. That is to say if china wanted to attack russia for example they could build a disease that their people don't get sick from but only carry, and is very deadly to Russians. Right now the chineese government is watching to see wich countries they can infect.

Blown out of proportion health scares like this are to public health agencies what fund raisers are to public radio. Scare people to death and it loosens government purse strings.

There is a study done just recently that concluded Asian smokers are about twice as likely as Caucasians and other groups to have a gene expression in their lungs that this virus and the SARs virus target. If there is any kind of virus engineering going I tend to think that it would be for trying to find defenses for things like that.

I started this topic here because of ducks, then thought as it expanded in scope it really doesn't belong in a duck thread. so I started this one here > China's going nuts

 

[JaeG]

I'm in NZ and we have many ducks and geese living wild that would have originally been brought over as domestic fowl. There are also many former pets that are dumped at parks. There's a duck at a local beach who looks like a black blue swedish. We have some wild Pilgrim geese that visit our farm in search of fresh grass. I've seen wild muscovy at parks, and one park in Auckland recently re-homed many geese because the population had exploded and overcrowding was causing aggressive behaviour towards the public, not to mention the mess they were making of the park, and native species were being out competed for food. It's also very common to see dumped chickens (usually roosters). We have huge flocks of turkey, including white ones, that live wild. And flocks of wild peacock. So our domestic fowl are not helpless and still have their instincts if they find themselves living wild.

This is a very good article about coronovirus for those who need some straight up facts:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/119283666/coronavirus-is-a-global-misinfodemic
Sadly, there is fall-out from the measures being taken to control this outbreak (because it is new and we don't know the full extent of how bad it 'could' get) and prevent it becoming a global pandemic.

NZ recently had a bad measles outbreak directly linked to people not being vaccinated and sadly our Pacific Island neighbours in Samoa, who don't have access to the high standard of health care available here, paid the price.

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

I'm in NZ and we have many ducks and geese living wild that would have originally been brought over as domestic fowl. There are also many former pets that are dumped at parks. There's a duck at a local beach who looks like a black blue swedish. We have some wild Pilgrim geese that visit our farm in search of fresh grass. I've seen wild muscovy at parks, and one park in Auckland recently re-homed many geese because the population had exploded and overcrowding was causing aggressive behaviour towards the public, not to mention the mess they were making of the park, and native species were being out competed for food. It's also very common to see dumped chickens (usually roosters). We have huge flocks of turkey, including white ones, that live wild. And flocks of wild peacock. So our domestic fowl are not helpless and still have their instincts if they find themselves living wild.

This is a very good article about coronovirus for those who need some straight up facts:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/119283666/coronavirus-is-a-global-misinfodemic
Sadly, there is fall-out from the measures being taken to control this outbreak (because it is new and we don't know the full extent of how bad it 'could' get) and prevent it becoming a global pandemic.

NZ recently had a bad measles outbreak directly linked to people not being vaccinated and sadly our Pacific Island neighbours in Samoa, who don't have access to the high standard of health care available here, paid the price.

What price did they pay? Measles is typically a very mild illness when caught in childhood. At least that's the way it used to be before vaccines screwed up natural immunity.

 

[JaeG]

What price did they pay? Measles is typically a very mild illness when caught in childhood. At least that's the way it used to be before vaccines screwed up natural immunity.

83 people died, mostly children under the age of 4, because of the low rates of vaccination. Measles is a serious illness, one of the most infectious diseases known to humans, and there were a few children here, usually those too young to be vaccinated, that were hospitalised in critical condition. We hadn't had an outbreak here in so long it was almost considered to be extinct, but vaccination rates are down and enough were unvaccinated to allow measles to take hold and spread.

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

83 people died, mostly children under the age of 4, because of the low rates of vaccination. Measles is a serious illness, one of the most infectious diseases known to humans, and there were a few children here, usually those too young to be vaccinated, that were hospitalised in critical condition. We hadn't had an outbreak here in so long it was almost considered to be extinct, but vaccination rates are down and enough were unvaccinated to allow measles to take hold and spread.

If Measles is serious now it's only because the measles vaccination program screwed up natural immunity to it. It was never a problem before that except in maybe undeveloped countries. Have you seen the Brady Bunch episode about measles where the kids are glad they got measles because they get to stay home from school and play? That's what measles was like decades ago in the US. And btw, even people who are vaccinated spread the disease and get sick.

 

[Beaglegal]

If Measles is serious now it's only because the measles vaccination program screwed up natural immunity to it. It was never a problem before that except in maybe undeveloped countries. Have you seen the Brady Bunch episode about measles where the kids are glad they got measles because they get to stay home from school and play? That's what measles was like decades ago in the US. And btw, even people who are vaccinated spread the disease and get sick.

My uncle caught the measles as a child, it scarred his lungs to the point where he required a lung transplant as an adult. He died at the age of 50 from complications related to the lung transplant. Measles killed him

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

My uncle caught the measles as a child, it scarred his lungs to the point where he required a lung transplant as an adult. He died at the age of 50 from complications related to the lung transplant. Measles killed him

I'm sorry for you loss, but that doesn't change the fact that measles deaths were and still are very rare, except maybe in undeveloped countries..

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

83 people died, mostly children under the age of 4, because of the low rates of vaccination. Measles is a serious illness, one of the most infectious diseases known to humans, and there were a few children here, usually those too young to be vaccinated, that were hospitalised in critical condition. We hadn't had an outbreak here in so long it was almost considered to be extinct, but vaccination rates are down and enough were unvaccinated to allow measles to take hold and spread.

Something anomalous is going on in Samoa. Two children died there after receiving the MMR vaccine. I can't find anywhere the vaccination status of the 83 children who died.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/health/samoa-mmr-baby-deaths-intl/index.html

 

[Beaglegal]

I'm sorry for you loss, but that doesn't change the fact that measles deaths were and still are very rare, except maybe in undeveloped countries..

They are rare because we have vaccines

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

They are rare because we have vaccines

Do a little research. Measles' deaths before vaccines were rare, except maybe in undeveloped countries.

The World Health Organization (WHO) states that the “overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures.” This insight may help explain why so many Samoans are dying, especially since it is known that Samoa has high levels of malnutrition. Samoans, in particular, suffer from a low intake of protein in their diet. The most common form of malnutrition in Samoa is known as Protein-Energy Malnutrition (PEM), which affects children the most.