Duck grower frees "dozens of thousands" of his ducks

[HenOnAJuneBug]

They are rare because we have vaccines

If measles deaths weren't rare before the vaccine, this episode would never have been made.

 

[MeganFair]

Measles is not a mild illness.

Measles is a highly contagious illness that can cause all kinds of complications, and those complications are common. We're talking a disease that spreads like wildfire and 1 out of every 1000 childhood cases ends in encephalitis that can cause brain damage. And the severity of complications gets even worse in adults. Measles deaths are about 1-2 in 1000, but 1 in 4 people will need hospitalization, versus flu where out of the roughly 35.5 million cases in the 2018-2019 season, only under 500,000 had to be hospitalized. Flu kills more people, but measles sends a higher ratio of people to the hospital. So yes, you will probably survive if you get measles, but surviving the disease without semi-permanent or permanent systematic damage to your body . . . not so much.

So yes, in the 1970s in the United States, we can joke about measles because by that point it was already getting pretty uncommon because vaccines were developed in 1963, and the MMR was introduced in the 70s.

And access to the vaccine is why kids in developing countries still contract it. The vaccine also did not screw up natural immunity to the virus because the way vaccines work is to literally mimic the way the body naturally responds to and eventually handles disease.Depending on the vaccine you either receive a relative of the virus (smallpox vs. cowpox, which is why they are called 'vaccines' in the first place. The very first vaccine was cowpox which causes nothing more than a mild rash vs smallpox which has killed billions of people throughout human history.), you receive a load of dead virus, or virus that has been "defanged" as it were. Your immune system responds as if you have contracted the infection naturally, and viola! Immunity.

The reason why kids in developing countries still contract it is that single dose vaccines are expensive, and no one makes multi dose vials anymore because a bunch of people freaked out about a harmless form of mercury that was used as a preservative in those multi dose vials. And people can still contract the disease after being vaccinated. While vaccines confer protection, sometimes they don't prevent a person from contracting the disease all together. Usually though, the person has a milder case of the disease.

And, checking on on those two kids in Samoa? They got an improperly mixed dose of vaccine. It's really unfortunate, but it happens. In 2019, in Ohio alone, 2 people died and 31 people were harmed by improperly filled prescriptions. It's actually becoming a problem throughout the United States. Does that mean you shouldn't fill your medical prescriptions? I'd hope the cost benefit analysis would lead you to say no.

And even still . . . no matter the harm the illness causes, wouldn't it be better the vaccinate anyway? Why let kids go through the misery of being sick if you can prevent it?

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

Measles is a highly contagious illness that can cause all kinds of complications, and those complications are common.

They weren't when I was growing up before the vaccine. Your numbers look like they are world averages that includes undeveloped countries. Again, complications and deaths before the vaccine were rare in the US.

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

Why let kids go through the misery of being sick if you can prevent it?

Well for one thing measles wasn't a miserable sickness. Didn't you watch the Brady Bunch video? I think I would remember being miserable when I had it, but I don't.

Why I wouldn't want my kids vaccinated is because of things like the triplets who got autism within hours of being vaccinated together (it's absolutely heartbreaking to watch that video), and the fact that MMR vaccines are made from aborted human fetal cell lines. Autism incidence change points correlate closely with introduction of those cell lines into various vaccines. There is concern that those foreign DNA fragments trigger an autoimmune response through the TLR9 mechanism. Kids with autism have antibodies against human DNA, whereas non-autistic children do not.

 

[johntfs]

Why does it matter? Bugs are bugs. The human immune system is able to take care of pathogens. Keep the immune system healthy, take reasonable precautions and don't worry. Life is not a sci-fi movie.

It's not a Hallmark Rom-Com either. Nation-states wouldn't spend millions of dollars on bio-warfare labs if all one needed to recover from any given "bug" was some chicken soup and a nice nap. There is an appropriate level of caution .

I'm not saying you should run for the hills. Its only 2% deadly which is pretty low even compaired to influenza. Just speculating as to why governments around the world are treating this outbreak like the plague when its not. Through current genetic engineering its possible to make a viris that only is lethal to people with certain genes. That is to say if china wanted to attack russia for example they could build a disease that their people don't get sick from but only carry, and is very deadly to Russians. Right now the chineese government is watching to see wich countries they can infect.

But this clearly isn't it. No, they aren't. Right now, the Chinese government (or the individuals in it) are desperately trying to cover their own butts in the wake of this. For one thing, they know that weapons of mass destruction (and that's what biological weapons are) will have their deployment met with force in kind. For the USA and Russia, that means nukes. If there was a real belief in those nations that this was some kind of deliberate biological attack, the population of China drops drops from 1.8 billion to a few radiation-sick survivors.

 

[Beaglegal]

Do a little research. Measles' deaths before vaccines were rare, except maybe in undeveloped countries.

I broke my cardinal rule, never argue with strangers on the internet... we will just have to agree to disagree

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

Something anomalous is going on in Samoa. Two children died there after receiving the MMR vaccine. I can't find anywhere the vaccination status of the 83 children who died.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/health/samoa-mmr-baby-deaths-intl/index.html

There's definitely something anomalous going on in Samoa - malnutrition

https://borgenproject.org/malnutrition-in-samoa/

 

[johntfs]

I broke my cardinal rule, never argue with strangers on the internet... we will just have to agree to disagree

That's a good rule for something like "Is Die Hard a Christmas movie?" but pushing back against anti-vaxxer willful stupid is something that rises to the level of a mild public service.

 

[Henry&Friends]

So like... those ducks aren’t going to catch and spread diseases, right? I sure hope not.

 

[Beaglegal]

That's a good rule for something like "Is Die Hard a Christmas movie?" but pushing back against anti-vaxxer willful stupid is something that rises to the level of a mild public service.

But it does the same amount of good, it doesn’t matter what facts I use or what I say, it wouldn’t change their mind. Especially about something as emotionally charged as vaccinations