Duckling has dry skin peeling and walking backwards while dragging bill on ground in a squiggle pattern

[wannabefarm girl]

I would be cautious about garlic, it is a poison -fun fact.

Just to ducks, or...??

 

[Goosebaby]

The active anti-fungal/anti-bacterial element in garlic is allicin. For allicin to be effective in permeating tissue to eradicate a fungal infection from the body it would to be at such high concentrations that it causes liver failure in animals and humans.

However a little bit of garlic boosts the immune system and inhibits mold enough that it can help fight an infection or help prevent one to an extent. Technically everything we eat can be classified as toxic in high enough concentrations, though what level that is greatly differs. You just have to do research and weigh the benefits against the negatives.

Honey is medicinal, but not all honey is the same. A lot of honey out there is a mix of added syrups and sawdust to just enough actual honey to make it taste like honey.
If you can find a trusted source of real honey that can have benefits but keep in mind that weakened immune systems can catch salmonella from it.
Mānuka honey is what’s used by practitioners as medicinal honey, but there’s also a lot of scammers out there labeling who knows what they’re peddling as mānuka.

 

[wannabefarm girl]

The active anti-fungal/anti-bacterial element in garlic is allicin. For allicin to be effective in permeating tissue to eradicate a fungal infection from the body it would to be at such high concentrations that it causes liver failure in animals and humans.

However a little bit of garlic boosts the immune system and inhibits mold enough that it can help fight an infection or help prevent one to an extent. Technically everything we eat can be classified as toxic in high enough concentrations, though what level that is greatly differs. You just have to do research and weigh the benefits against the negatives.

Honey is medicinal, but not all honey is the same. A lot of honey out there is a mix of added syrups and sawdust to just enough actual honey to make it taste like honey.
If you can find a trusted source of real honey that can have benefits but keep in mind that weakened immune systems can catch salmonella from it.
Mānuka honey is what’s used by practitioners as medicinal honey, but there’s also a lot of scammers out there labeling who knows what they’re peddling as mānuka.

Yep.
I agree with all this.

 

[GodofPecking]

If you can find a trusted source of real honey that can have benefits but keep in mind that weakened immune systems can catch salmonella from it.
Mānuka honey is what’s used by practitioners as medicinal honey, but there’s also a lot of scammers out there labeling who knows what they’re peddling as mānuka.

there are a lot of lies floating about, let me clear some up.

the salmonella thing is fake, bacteria don't live in an anti-bacterial agent.

Honey, where glucose lactase produces hydrogen peroxide, kills salmonella. Bees met salmonella about a gazillion years ago before scams were ever invented and won that war hands down. Bees are ancient. scams are modern.

another major scam is that babies can't have honey, there's nothing real behind that scam claim, comes back to innuendo and drunken bar talk reported as if it was a scientific study.

Mānuka honey is drivel. It's how you get two spoons worth of medicinal work done in one spoon. The added advertising fuels a huge hype industry. (stupid voice) 'ohhh it's so concentrated, the science so proves it's so concentrated'

yes, Mānuka (teatree honey) is Soooo concentrated so people who'd just hate to eat honey can get it over and done with in half the time. everyone else can enjoy ten times as much honey which has every single advantage that Mānuka has bar none, but advertisers who hypnotise people that refuse to read, and their stooges who work for free, will chant forever that it's so concentrated. sigh.

I agree with one phrase, "If you can find a trusted source of real honey" that's the issue. you cant buy honey in places like australia, just look at their supreme court cases. I personally have come across hundreds of cases of sloppy doctored honey in australia which is nothing to do with actual food let alone honey.

australians won't stop contaminating food anytime soon, for crying out loud australia literally and legally labels genetically modified food as 'organic certified' literally. Thats what it does.

beekeepers ? in australia, well lets just say you work out the 'would you trust these people' rating yourself, read up how they'll kill each other to steal each other's honey first, it's a good read. Then, as at least some are clearly willing to goto extraordinary lengths to get a dollar, then what would they do to the honey for a dollar, I've seen it myself, tasted it, bleerchhhh, it's not pretty.

If you live in a nice country, just look at a knock-off flow hive, it fixes everything the supreme courts never will.

GM Frankenstein food, down under, they call that "organic certified"

 

[Goosebaby]

there are a lot of lies floating about, let me clear some up.

the salmonella thing is fake, bacteria don't live in an anti-bacterial agent.

Honey, where glucose lactase produces hydrogen peroxide, kills salmonella. Bees met salmonella about a gazillion years ago before scams were ever invented and won that war hands down. Bees are ancient. scams are modern.

another major scam is that babies can't have honey, there's nothing real behind that scam claim, comes back to innuendo and drunken bar talk reported as if it was a scientific study.

Mānuka honey is drivel. It's how you get two spoons worth of medicinal work done in one spoon. The added advertising fuels a huge hype industry. (stupid voice) 'ohhh it's so concentrated, the science so proves it's so concentrated'

yes, Mānuka (teatree honey) is Soooo concentrated so people who'd just hate to eat honey can get it over and done with in half the time. everyone else can enjoy ten times as much honey which has every single advantage that Mānuka has bar none, but advertisers who hypnotise people that refuse to read, and their stooges who work for free, will chant forever that it's so concentrated. sigh.

I agree with one phrase, "If you can find a trusted source of real honey" that's the issue. you cant buy honey in places like australia, just look at their supreme court cases. I personally have come across hundreds of cases of sloppy doctored honey in australia which is nothing to do with actual food let alone honey.

australians won't stop contaminating food anytime soon, for crying out loud australia literally and legally labels genetically modified food as 'organic certified' literally. Thats what it does.

beekeepers ? in australia, well lets just say you work out the 'would you trust these people' rating yourself, read up how they'll kill each other to steal each other's honey first, it's a good read. Then, as at least some are clearly willing to goto extraordinary lengths to get a dollar, then what would they do to the honey for a dollar, I've seen it myself, tasted it, bleerchhhh, it's not pretty.

If you live in a nice country, just look at a knock-off flow hive, it fixes everything the supreme courts never will.

GM Frankenstein food, down under, they call that "organic certified"

If you wanted to have a civil debate about the safety and efficacy of natural remedies I’d be more than willing but implying that I’m a drunk, calling me a “stooge,” and openly insulting the people of Australia multiple times tells me that that just isn’t possible. Lmao

 

[GodofPecking]

but implying that I’m

I did not direct my post at you, re-reading what I wrote I think its a stretch to think that, debate ? no, I was saying, and perhaps my writing was not clear enough as I cant care enough to do more but give pointers in the right direction, I was saying that the whole honey is dangerous scam, which is all over the internet by the way, it's everywhere.

I was pointing out that if anyone wanted to bother looking into the origins of the honey is bad thing which is on the surface preposterous given humans and honey have a shared history since before history and where are wars fought with honey as the weapons, or honey as a tool of assasimination? where has honey ever been mentioned as bad, ever in history ? why bother wasting time looking when general knowledge smack that whack-a-mole on the head ?

If anyone does want to look further into the honey is bad thing they wont find 'scientific studies' they'll find photocopied innuendo that is copied ad nauseum from a dusty old single source which is not a study at all. It does not prove anything at all with a hearsay single incident in which some genius decided honey might (or not) be to blame and never an investigation was done.

It's used, because nothing else exists, by people who want to discredit the usefulness of honey and promote their pet product or people programmed to promote someone else's pet product for free.

Can't imagine a product as bad as babyfood and formula would exist without a deep ocean of funding for advertising and lies, so it'd be a good source of money to account for the endless photocopying.

babyfood according to the news is being criticized lately for mercury and heavy metal contamination in every jar. Looking at the absurd and blantant lies the media tells to discredit alternatives, like in the whole Alicia Silverstone episode, makes you wonder what came first, babyfood compaines which were created to allow baby humans into existence, or stupidity which allows people to put aside the human character flaw of being able to reason long enough to BUY BUY BUY said product.

Did you see I managed to avoid mentioning melamine in babyfood ? I did a great job there (homer) Doh!

the people of Australia .[..] Lmao

I have a licence for that, all up to date and everything, we Aussies are proud of our stupidity. There's no liberty, solidarity, fraternity for us, like dogs at 3 am, it's Oi! Oi! Oi! for us.

p.s. have the rules been changed so I can only insult myself, or unlawful assemblies of more than one moron are now under attack, I'm proud, can I at least have that without virtue-signalers attacking me on the streets ? I should check the news for the latest stupidinity in australia, and check nothing's changed.

 

[OneEggToRuleThemAll]

OP, did the peeling neck skin start before or after the Epsom salt bath? It looks like some kind of chemical irritation/burn from the photo. Can't help you with the neurological issue, though--I don't understand how the two are related unless there is some kind of virus that is causing the skin to peel along with neurological issues.

It's just weird that the skin is peeling at the neck--that's where the water line would be if they are in a bath or swimming. Their skin is so very sensitive when they are little like that. Epsom salt may have been too strong for them?

You could perhaps try an oatmeal bath. I'd fill a tote/bin with fresh water and dump in some raw rolled oats...let the oats "steep" in the water for 15 minutes or so and then let the ducklings in. They'll dive and swim and eat the oats...it's okay. After ten minutes or so, you can take them out, dump out the tote and fill with fresh water, then let them have a quick swim in the fresh water to wash the oat residue off their feathers. The oats are so soothing to the skin. If you're into herbs and have access, you can throw fresh or dried comfrey, marshmallow, and/or violet leaves in the water, too, for added healing and soothing. Good luck! Keep us updated please!

 

[Goosebaby]

This is off subject but pages on here sometimes end up in search results so I don’t feel right exposing readers to incorrect information regarding honey.

https://connect.mayoclinic.org/blog/transplant/newsfeed-post/unpasteurized-foods-and-raw-honey/

So far in my research there is a low risk of salmonella in real honey as the PH is off for salmonella to survive, diluted honey from disreputable sources can carry many pathogens though.

The main risk from honey to immune compromised and infants comes from botulism spores, there can be other pathogens that could contaminate it but depending on what the hive and honey was exposed too but botulism is the usual main concern.

As for real mānuka honey there is a reason it’s garnering more respect for its medicinal properties.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4837971/

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/release/preliminary-study-shows-potential-manuka-honey-nutraceutical

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7693943/

https://www.medicinenet.com/difference_between_manuka_honey_and_regular_honey/article.htm


Mānuka honey like anything isn’t a cure all, it has a long list of medicinal benefits but it doesn’t replace proper diagnosing and targeted treatment.

Besides that Natural medicine can be a powerful tool but plants and natural substances don’t grow warning labels, dosing information, or instructions. Pharmaceuticals are refined man made or natural substances that go through years of testing, they do come with information about dosing and warnings which is why they’re more reliable and generally safer. Regardless of either nothing replaces a good doctor because if you don’t know what’s actually wrong your odds of knowing what to take aren’t great.

Most of us on here are usually in the same pickle, not having an avian vet or not being able to get to one for one reason or another which leaves us in the position of treating our birds ourselves. The more information at our disposal the better we’re able to make an educated guess and help our birds.

 

[GodofPecking]

That link to mayo clinic is one of the worst I've ever seen. I'd just like to point out for the record that my pockets are not being stuffed full of cash to post online or write up on websites or anything like that, there is a HUGE amount of money in the tea-tree honey industry known as mānuka. I'd just like people to know that honey is safe and sound for their ducks and their children as it has been for millions of years since people were either created along with honey or people were orangutans eating honey as you please, take your pick.

No money getting paid to me, I'm not a dot com.

If anyone wants to know what raw honey and raw milk refers to, it's honey out of the hive and milk out of the cow as god intended. The opposite, is called pasteurized, which means cooking the whatever it is until it kills germs, so that you don't need to clean up your filthy factory or filthy logistics hub or filthy supermarket for that matter. Cleaning costs money.

pasteurization was invented for the sole purpose of dealing with diseases spread by filthy commercial facilities and delivery so slow that the milk goes off before it gets to the customer.

Honey can't actually need pasteurization any more than salt or vinegar or sugar or any other food in the preservative category requires pasteurization, because honey, just the same as salt or vinegar or sugar IS a preservative.

When it's handled by greedy two faced money makers, they can't help sweeping up the floors into it, diluting it with anything cheap, calling things that never came from a beehive honey.

When people talk about unpasteurized or raw honey or milk or anything else, they're the ones who are scared of what they themselves are selling and you can bet the devil your head their milk is not milk and honey is not honey.

real milk is a cocktail mix of natural medicines made by cows for their calves including anti-cancer stuff which can't be used on humans cause it won't survive the stomach, but SO much is in it, it would take years to do even a basic roundup of the research.

On the other hand things like mad-cow disease are a household name because of money makers and absolutely nothing else. Mad cow disease can't exist on earth unless it has people willing to feel minced up dead cows back to live ones, there is no other way it can exist or spread, the risk is ZERO.
honey out of a real hive has glucose lactase, put in the honey by bees who've been on earth a lot longer than mankind and know a lot more about food preserving than we do. They've dealt with it all in the millions of years they've been here.

Honey doesn't need to be cooked. ever. cooking, or pasteurization kills the enzyme glucose lactase.

If you've added something to the honey then it's not the honey that is the problem, it's you. It's like police who say they have to just shoot everyone because there are bad people 'out there' (waves randomly). Honey is a anti-septic, it's a preservative, it's an anti fungal and anti bacterial. If you've half emptied the jar and filled it with angry wasps, you don't get to say that all real honey is dangerous. It's just the money makers putting angry wasps or other things in jars, not honey.

"Raw honey", the fraudsters do not even want to use the right term, which would be 'natural' or 'unmolested by rich people honey' they use 'raw' to try and convince people that honey's medicinal properties should be destroyed by cooking (pasteurizing).

It's the people who are secretly trying to poison everyone that put poisons into foods, along with the lazy people who are more interested in making a fast buck and can't care about the customer because they aren't paid enough.

Thanks for the government links by the way, I'll file them in the appropriate place, between "trust us, were're the government" and "where have I heard safe and effective before".

Like I summed up 2 minute noodles style before, Mānuka honey is expensive, I was deliberately being kind so as not to raise a fuss amongst the well paid product pushers. I didn't say it was a fraud, a complete bare faced rip-off, 100 times as much as it is worth, I didn't mention all the fraudulent labels out there and their fraudulent claims.

I think I was being kind not to mention the massive ocean of FAKE Mānuka out there, and that even real manuka is not as good as a slightly larger amount of ANY cheaper real honey, I can go into reasons on that one if anyone likes.

Gee I wonder what the top 10 FAKE Mānuka brands there are to avoid.

any honey is good for duckie, just dab it on, and try it out