Understood. But you're the first Saxony advocate I've seen on this board, so yours is an opinion to place alongside the others when my pen wavers over the Holderread order form this winter, looking for the elusive "perfect" duck for our particular requirements (quiet(ish), sedate, hardy, good forager, good mothers, good eating). Muscovies, of course, would seem to head such a list, but I know several people locally with muscovies and after a series of meet-and-greets I don't see us being a good fit. They remind me of Labrador retriever puppies with feathers.