Dumbest Things People Have Said About Your Chickens/Eggs/Meat

[Onyx9370]

That's good info, especially knowing that they are as careful with pet products as they are with human ones. And I've always been a bit confused about the raw food diet for dogs. Clearly they can handle E. Coli and/or salmonella because they can thrive on raw food, wild carnivores do it (wolves, foxes, coyote,) but I too have heard (not first hand but just heard) of dogs being sick from E. Coli and even dying. My other worry is (since my mom is a germ freak and thats how I was raised lol) that if a dog eats raw meats what's to stop it from spreading those potentially dangerous things around the house to the people? Dog eats chicken with E. coli or salmonella the licks someone, drinks out of a water bucket that's now contaminated. its just to much for me to worry about lol. I didn't thibk of that in my previous post, I was only thinking about things like prep surface and dog's food bowl. there are so many sides to everything! Also, i have always heard that you can give a dog any raw bones as they can crunch those up and eat them without splintering. You just cannot give any cooked bones. True?

 

[Roxannemc]

lol I know that one company grinds bone and all. they use the meat scraps and bones from deer, beef, pork, horse and goats. my parents used to have a small butcher shop, that's where our scraps went.

it may just be a wive's tail but a lot of people claim that feeding raw meat to dogs makes them aggressive. people who fight dogs used to give them raw hamburger and gun powder to make them mean. on the factual end of the argument, chickens carry a high instance of e. coli and salmonella. I would never feed uncooked chicken to my dogs.

im not saying your wrong in doing it. - you are right; they are primarily carnivorous. even raw meat is probably better for them than most of the corn and soy based foods we have now. I do remember an instance of someone who wanted a vegetarian diet for their dog, the vet advised them against it because dogs need the meat.

They say pepper makes dogs mean too but I think IF they get mean from that and from gun powder its because they feel ill from it so get cranky and who wants a mean dog? Protective maybe but mean? that's SICK.
Raw meat.....I agree dogs can handle it .If they can eat poop dead animals off the road and other horrid things i think they can take raw meat. Might get sick but rarely die
Cats have stomach acid made to break down bone but dogs don't so most bones ..... no .
Poisoned meat as cavemen and even later we ate it too although Im positive we had a tolerance for spoiled meat then with no refrigeration.
Possibly what the appendix was for .
I read in either China or Japan in about 14-1500s they hung a chicken by the neck on a porch and it wasnt considered ready to eat until the body rotted enough to fall off the neck. A delicacy they thought (YUM )
Because you CAN eat it doesn't mean you SHOULD.

 

[Onyx9370]

I have heard that they put euthanized pets in some dog foods :/ I guess the dogs don't care but it's a stomach turner.

 

[henrysmomma]

A co-worker, who is also a neighbor, heard I had chickens. She was asking me if I had a rooster. I explained that we didn't because we aren't allowed to have roosters in city limits. She then began to scoff saying that I wouldn't get any eggs without a rooster. I just kind of looked at her puzzled. I said I don't want chick, I just want eggs. She then explained to me that chickens won't lay eggs without a rooster, because that is where the yolk comes from. She is older than I am, relatively educated, and a mom. I had to set her straight. But it was a pretty awkward lunch conversation.

 

[mabhera]

I think it's kind of hilarious that anyone could know the horrific ways that our country does factory farming, for HUMAN consumption and yet you trust that a dog food factory is going to be clean and healthy. Come on guys. You're yanking my chain

how recent was it that all that dog food got recalled for having melamine in it??

It's a leap of faith....LOL. having said that I want to share what I found in my dogs food a few months back. I found what it seemed a whole dried RAT......yes..RAT. all dried up and ready to eat....yuck!!!! Maybe they were trying to raise the protein level with what they had at hand but please, that was not the way.....(Kidding about the protein level).

For me the worst part was I touched it with my hands trying to figure what was that hard mass (I know, my bad). For my dogs the worst part was they were not able to keep the finding.
So...nope. I dont think they are very sanitary but also I dont think that peoples food are made in sanitary conditions. Once, my dad was drinking a malt and when he was finishing the bottle he found a cockroach. You dont want to know how he found that.

 

[Scott H]

I have heard that they put euthanized pets in some dog foods

I guess the dogs don't care but it's a stomach turner.

I'd like to see some proof of that...........sounds like urban legend.

 

[Onyx9370]

I don't know I just have heard that before. But it honestly wouldn't surprise me with how the human and animal food industry already is.

 

[jesirose]

I'd like to see some proof of that...........sounds like urban legend.

http://www.bing.com/search/?q=euthanized+pets+in+dog+food&a=results&MID=2500

 

[Scott H]

Now that's reliable proof. ....

 

[loveourbirds]

I'm sorry but that's completely false. My dogs have had whole chicks and raw processed chicken and live peacefully with my chickens. (We are moving them to a new property which is separate but that's because we can't have roosters in town, not because of the dogs)
That would depend a lot on the size of the dog. I have one that's 12 lbs, one that's 25 and one that's 68. They eat different amounts of food. (About 2% of their weight a day)

I would rather see these chickens being raised, and sold/distributed to people who need them. don't get me wrong im a dog lover, but people take priority in my life. either way, it doesn't matter what I want. dogs are going to eat chicken, and hatcheries are going to throw chicks in dumpsters.
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I totally agree it would be better to raise the chickens. I'm all for raising the roosters to 6 months and cooling them. If someone is hungry they won't care that its not as meaty as a Cornish cross. Makes sense to do some good if you can.

I just think its poor business to throw away a "product" that you can make money on (its not just a few raw feeders that will buy them, snake owners, animal sanctuaries, there's plenty). It doesn't make sense.

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it dawned on me a little while ago, you and I are on two different pages in this "discussion" im not arguing, just for the record. just discussing what could be done.

im just guessing that you are someone who raises a few birds a year from chicks. your chicks are probably brooded away from dogs and only over a few weeks. my case is different, we typically sell 200 - 250 chicks a week, and keep some to raise for ourselves. we also breed year long, so chicks are always here. keep in mind when a dog recognizes something as food, it is hard to break them of thinking of it as food. one of my blue heeler crosses is constantly trying to take whole eggs to eat, simply because I used to break eggs in their food.

this is just a touch off subject, but I had one dog get loose and eat 6 ringneck pheasants, that dog always wanted to eat our other birds and ended up having to "go elsewhere". ive seen people raise chicks with cats, and have no problems. I had to start closing the door to my building over cats - and I don't own any. feeding chicks to my dogs is just not an option for me, as it could be detrimental to my "business".

as far as e. coli in dogs, its more of a urinary tract infection. I don't know if its fatal, but the dogs I have seen that were diagnosed with it were not in good shape at all. as in severely stressed, losing hair, dirty and extremely thin. they were rescue dogs, they were taken to the vet for mange, and didn't have it. keep in mind, just like in chickens when you have one medical issue, the system is weakened and other problems seem to develop. im sure it was the case in these dogs, I don't know what problems started first.

at one point I looked into freezing male chicks for reptile consumption. even with the "Petland" store central office I couldn't find a market for much over 5 lbs a week. I didn't try real hard, as this is about the point where we decided not to become a hatchery. I wouldn't have had enough chicks to consider driving to the dog food factory and trying to sell them. on the comment of pet animal carcasses being used in dog food, I never seen it; but I have heard that too.

there is a lot of horror stories of how male chicks are treated. you can google the pictures of them in dumpsters, there is also information on how they throw them into some sort of grinder. I think ive even heard somewhere that they use them to make coon bait for trapping. keep in mind most major hatcheries are hatching hundreds of thousands of chicks, at just one hundred thousand that makes about 25,000 extra males - that's a huge number for most animal consumption.

if someone were to set up a place for me to send male chicks, I would donate them and breed sex links. until then I will only sell as straight run breeder/show quality birds in small quantities.