Dumbest Things People Have Said About Your Chickens/Eggs/Meat

[Onyx9370]

I might be wrong, but i think they are a lot more strict about contamination of pet foods with E. coli and Salmonella. I think it is zero tolerance, and they are quicker to recall these days especially after the outbreak of contaminated pet food a few years ago. That being said, I don't think feeding a raw diet puts any more risk of contraction than feeding commercial dry food, considering that we could contract E. Coli from coming in contact with our dog's poop (no matter what they eat) and our chicken's poop. And the way I see it it's no more risky to feed dogs a raw diet when we handle raw meats to cook for ourselves. As long as everything is handled properly and cleaned. I do feed my dogs raw eggs, but they are so high energy/high maintenance that I doubt I could keep up with their nutritional needs on a raw diet, at least without it costing me a fortune. -which brings me back to wanting to raise meat chickens. But anyways lol just my two cents.

 

[loveourbirds]

my knowledge of how dog food is made, is a little dated I agree. and I did look this link up, to partially back up what jesirose is saying.
http://rawfed.com/myths/bloodthirsty.html it is not wrong to feed a dog pieces of raw meat and bone, even from livestock they protect. the problem happens when they associate the taste with the animal. im sure the breed of dog has something to do with this too, im far from an expert in dogs.

I do agree, I think it is now a no tolerance for e. coli and salmonella in processed animal feeds. for the simple reason of contaminating humans through contact. the same issues does happen with chicks, a hatchery here in Ohio has sent out e. coli infected chicks 2 years in a row. it has caused a lot stricter laws on how poultry and chicks are handled and sent through the mail. I don't know about other states, but in Ohio we have to be a member of NPIP to mail any chicks or eggs. when you become a member they do a sample testing on your flock to test for communicable disease.

I do know the place we dealt with on meat scraps boiled or heated the meat before it was ground and formed. simply to kill the smells, make it harder to recognize, and to kill bacteria that may harm dogs or humans.

 

[Onyx9370]

Jesirose I do have to agree with you about people having misconceptions about dogs. I have Doberman Pinschers, and I have heard so many untruths about them (and other "agressive" breeds). I've had people tell me I'm crazy for having them around my child, that they go crazy because their brain gets to big for their skull, that if they get the taste of blood they will turn violently agressive, all kinds of crazy things. And just like with the chickens i try to educate, not enable the rumors. lol just what will we do with all the rumors and misconceptions!?

 

[Onyx9370]

loveourbirds, I agree with you out of experience. My grandmother had two Daschunds and my uncle brought some chicks home. Those 2 dogs killed and ate every single one of those chicks. They had never been fed raw food or chicks before or anything like that. I'm sure it had a lot to do with the breed, they have a high prey drive being bred to hunt rodents/small game. But they could never have chickens after that. My uncle tried a few more times but they always broke into wherever the chicks were and ate them all. If I were going to feed my dogs raw I would definitely process a little. Just so i wouldn't have to worry about them deciding to kill my whole flock.

 

[oldrooster]

Jesirose I do have to agree with you about people having misconceptions about dogs. I have Doberman Pinschers, and I have heard so many untruths about them (and other "agressive" breeds). I've had people tell me I'm crazy for having them around my child, that they go crazy because their brain gets to big for their skull, that if they get the taste of blood they will turn violently agressive, all kinds of crazy things. And just like with the chickens i try to educate, not enable the rumors. lol just what will we do with all the rumors and misconceptions!?

I agree because I know properly trained dobermans and rotties are great pets, but because so many people want to have pit breeds and I know not many of these people whom want the "cool in dog breeds" I won't go near one because I would like to be proved wrong that your pit is not mean then to be proven correct that it is. But I don't go out of my way to say they are ALL mean.

 

[loveourbirds]

Jesirose I do have to agree with you about people having misconceptions about dogs. I have Doberman Pinschers, and I have heard so many untruths about them (and other "agressive" breeds). I've had people tell me I'm crazy for having them around my child, that they go crazy because their brain gets to big for their skull, that if they get the taste of blood they will turn violently agressive, all kinds of crazy things. And just like with the chickens i try to educate, not enable the rumors. lol just what will we do with all the rumors and misconceptions!?

there are so many rumors and mistruths in all animals. I have fed my dogs raw meat myslf, left over venison bones, and scrap meat. I have fed cooked boneless chicken to my dogs also. when I referred to e. coli in dogs, I cannot say that eating chicken caused it. here is a link for more information: http://www.ehow.com/list_6131331_medications-urinary-infection-e_-coli.html

as far as dogs, I have 1 full blood blue heeler, 2 blue heeler mixed, and one that only God knows what he put in that mix. they are invaluable for keeping predators away.

 

[Roxannemc]

I might be wrong, but i think they are a lot more strict about contamination of pet foods with E. coli and Salmonella. I think it is zero tolerance, and they are quicker to recall these days especially after the outbreak of contaminated pet food a few years ago. That being said, I don't think feeding a raw diet puts any more risk of contraction than feeding commercial dry food, considering that we could contract E. Coli from coming in contact with our dog's poop (no matter what they eat) and our chicken's poop. And the way I see it it's no more risky to feed dogs a raw diet when we handle raw meats to cook for ourselves. As long as everything is handled properly and cleaned. I do feed my dogs raw eggs, but they are so high energy/high maintenance that I doubt I could keep up with their nutritional needs on a raw diet, at least without it costing me a fortune. -which brings me back to wanting to raise meat chickens. But anyways lol just my two cents.

I worked in a factory for some years that made coffee cans, other food cans and also dog food cans,. Suprisingly we took as much care and as many tests on the dog food cans as the ppl cans.
Didnt differenciate in any way who it went to.
This was 15 years ago Proper conditions as you would use for ppl used for dogs isn't something that new.
Im sure the factories that make the dog food also have high quality control just as we had in spite of the fact a dog will eat nearly anything and lick its own and others butts LOL.

 

[Roxannemc]

I worked in a factory for some years that made coffee cans, other food cans and also dog food cans,. Suprisingly we took as much care and as many tests on the dog food cans as the ppl cans.
Didnt differenciate in any way who it went to.
This was 15 years ago Proper conditions as you would use for ppl used for dogs isn't something that new.
Im sure the factories that make the dog food also have high quality control just as we had in spite of the fact a dog will eat nearly anything and lick its own and others butts LOL.

Chicken and pork bones and some beef bones too are bad for dogs as they can splinter and pierce their intestinal wall.

 

[jesirose]

feeding baby chicks to dogs, meaning the whole chick feathers and all, will lead to the dog developing a taste for whole baby chicks. instead of seeing them as something you want or need, they will see them as food.

I'm sorry but that's completely false. My dogs have had whole chicks and raw processed chicken and live peacefully with my chickens. (We are moving them to a new property which is separate but that's because we can't have roosters in town, not because of the dogs)

also, since we are getting technical here, more than 2 chicks exceeds the recommended protein for dog daily consumption. 2 chicks exceed it by about 4% depending on dog and activity. also in whole form, the feathers cause a nitrogen rich diet that is to high for dogs. the ammonia/ phosphate/ nitrogen balance is important to all animals. im all for this if someone can figure out how to make it work, on a scale that is feasible.

That would depend a lot on the size of the dog. I have one that's 12 lbs, one that's 25 and one that's 68. They eat different amounts of food. (About 2% of their weight a day)

[/quote]I would rather see these chickens being raised, and sold/distributed to people who need them. don't get me wrong im a dog lover, but people take priority in my life. either way, it doesn't matter what I want. dogs are going to eat chicken, and hatcheries are going  to throw chicks in dumpsters.
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I totally agree it would be better to raise the chickens. I'm all for raising the roosters to 6 months and cooling them. If someone is hungry they won't care that its not as meaty as a Cornish cross. Makes sense to do some good if you can.

I just think its poor business to throw away a "product" that you can make money on (its not just a few raw feeders that will buy them, snake owners, animal sanctuaries, there's plenty). It doesn't make sense.

They can raise them and use them for plenty of things, but if they don't want to my point was just that there is plenty of use besides the trash can. I didn't mean to derail the thread so much

 

[jesirose]

I think it's kind of hilarious that anyone could know the horrific ways that our country does factory farming, for HUMAN consumption and yet you trust that a dog food factory is going to be clean and healthy. Come on guys. You're yanking my chain how recent was it that all that dog food got recalled for having melamine in it??