Eastern Tennessee Thread

[tennesseeckn]

I am sorry about the test not being an end all per say.

I am just going to throw this out there & if I offend anyone or it seems like I am trying to start an argument it is not my intent: I am starting to wonder how many breeders or companies have ILT and continue to sell fertile eggs, chicks & adult birds. I am also wondering how many of us have ILT in our flocks and do not know it? I mean when you think about it did all your chickens come from fertile eggs (if I remember correctly it can't be passed through the eggs or the infected eggs do not hatch, not sure)? How many young chicks, pullets, cockerels or adult birds have you brought in (I don't think quarantining is fool proof either)? I mean unless there is an outbreak and you follow through like Daphne did how do you/we know? It just makes me wonder.

There's not been as much discussion about ILT, but I've read on other threads that vets have said that MG and CRD are everywhere. I saw estimates of 75-80% of poultry has been exposed. The only way to prevent it would be to hatch eggs and test the chicks. Once they were found to be clean, you would have to keep them off the ground, in a building with screened windows, for their entire lives.

 

[tennesseeckn]

yep..he is a mans bird for sure, LOL
All he ever did to me was tuck his beak inside my hand and "coo" he must not like your hands, LOL

And I thought Frederick was getting us the reputation of being "Rooster Whisperers". Satan had to go and ruin it, didn't he?

I'm surprised, though. My wheatie boys are always overly dramatic, but I've not had one be mean, yet. They've definitely acted crazy. They act like they love me one minute and then run away like I'm toting an ax the next.

I think that's why I love my big, fat orps. They're too lazy for drama.

 

[TNBarnQueen]

OK...here are a few sites on genetics. I can't remember which ones are simplified but they break it down pretty well.

http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/html_pages/calculators.html

http://chickengenetics.edelras.nl/

http://kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htm

 

[tennesseeckn]

OK...here are a few sites on genetics. I can't remember which ones are simplified but they break it down pretty well.

http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/html_pages/calculators.html

http://chickengenetics.edelras.nl/

http://kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htm

Did you notice the .nl in all of those addresses? I guess people in the Netherlands like their poultry genetics.

I like the kippenjungle best, but it might just be because I'm used to it.

 

[TNBarnQueen]

Did you notice the .nl in all of those addresses? I guess people in the Netherlands like their poultry genetics.

I like the kippenjungle best, but it might just be because I'm used to it.

I use the top one a lot....I have worked in equine genetics breeding TWH so that made it a bit easier for me. BUT....chicken genetics are far more complicated because with all the colors, patterns, etc.....the variables are vast!

 

[TNBEARCHICK]

I have not built one myself but here is a great link to one here on BYC it shows how they did it.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/cattle-panel-hoop-coop

Also Stang built one and there are pics on this thread of how she did her's.

Hope this helps.

Thanks! will check that out

 

[TNBEARCHICK]

I don't know about the gene names or anything, but I know how it works. If you breed self blue to self blue, you get self blue. With Andalusian blue, when you breed blue to blue, you get blue, black, and splash.

I LOVE the chicken calculator. Here's what Barnqueen should get with her F1's using the splash wheaten x white:





This is what she should get if she uses the splash wheaten x the blue:



And that's if they're all genetically perfect. White is supposed to hide some crazy stuff, though, so it'll be cool to see what she gets.

Woah! This looks like my 15 year olds chemistry homework

 

[Talbott Poultry]

Woah! This looks like my 15 year olds chemistry homework

I know what you mean, my daughter passed me up when she was about 12.

 

[littlechicklet]

@littlechicklet..I don't think your questioning.that is a very valid point. And this is my take on it. First...becoming NPIP should help in one way..in others before one orders or buys eggs...get real nosey. I do...I ask a lot of questions such as...
How long have you been raising this breed you are selling?
What generation are your eggs and what generation did you start working at with yours?
Do you collect your eggs daily?
Are your breeds separated?
How do you house your breeding stock? (Course if they saw my redneck runs they would roll laughing! But the are clean)

Things like that. A reputable breeder should not have a problem with answering your questions. I offer the information to anyone who buys eggs or chickens from me. With chickens I try to let them know when I wormed and treated for mites. Also....start asking around. Many times on the auctions here there will be people who have posted replies on the auction itself especially if it is an auction being bumped. Go to the thread for the breed you are considering. Lurking on threads like that for a while..you will soon be able to recognize someone you can trust or point you to someone you can. There are just a lot of things that have to be considered. This past year I was VERY picky with who I bought from...for what I gave for some of my eggs.....I want as many questions answered as I can get....but..still one slipped through. I bought some eggs from a woman I actually encouraged to start selling her eggs. She started selling eggs from her lavenders and paint silkies. Well..as a result after $105...my paints are peach color...my lavender has 1/2 a toe on each outer feathered foot and part of them have 6 toes. so.....it all boils down to there is always a chance you may get something that you did not expect...but taking precautions in asking questions and talking to breeders does help eliminate problems to a point. I hope this made sense and helped answer your question. Keep in mind that to get good quality eggs are not going to come cheap...but it is worth paying a bit more to buy from reputable breeders. Oh...also..if you can find a breeder that is not a long drive and get your eggs or chickens really is nice.

Thank you. You have made some very valid and helpful points. As far as NPIP goes I really do not put a lot of stock in it. They do not test for near enough things IMO. In the state of TN they only test for: Pullorum, Typhoid and Avian Bird Flu. Here's the link to where I got this information: http://hpbaa.com/NPIP_Information.html As Daphne stated previously (if i remember correctly) her flock would pass a NPIP certification test. Fortunately Daphne is not going to put others at risk; how can you trust people you don't know? I mean I don't care how many questions you ask, NPIP certified or referrals from others you get you are still taking a chance. I am not saying I will not add any to my flock but I realize in doing so I am taking a chance and if I didn't add I would be stopped in my tracks on any type of breeding I am considering. I am going to ask questions, get referrals and hope for the best and wish everyone else the best too.

I am also very lucky in that there are only a few breeds I am interested in so buying, trading or continuously adding is not something I will be doing. That is of course if chicken math does not get the better of me!

 

[littlechicklet]

My mother-in-law got her first eggs from the pullets we gave her. I don't know if both are laying or not but she got a blue/green egg. And she got an egg 2 days in a row! She only has 2 pullets.