EE, Ameraucana, Auracana

[pips&peeps]

 

[farmgirlie1031]

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If you take it to that, all chickens have the same ancestor--so none are pure--even the ones that have been identified as a breed for 100s of years.

Cubalaya I find it rather noticeable that you have chosen to not post photos of your birds.

Araucanas lay blue eggs; ameraucanas lay blue eggs; and sometimes Easter Eggers lay blue eggs. If it lays anything other than blue, it is not an araucana or ameraucana, but that is not the only criteria.

Colour or variety doesn't make the bird, but a combination of traits, beginning with the type/shape of the bird; its size; and then many other specifics do. If a trait or two is lacking, then it's just a poorer specimen; but if the bird is a complete mismatch then it simply isn't the breed. And yes, ameraucana IS a breed.

Early on, you said you wanted ameraucanas and not Easter Eggers. Why did it matter to you if, as you say "they ain't pure." FOr that matter, why have any BREED if they are all the same?

I certainly know who I won't ever purchase eggs or chicks of any sort from.

Thank You for your wonderful explaination.. It's not difficult and I totally agree with you.

 

[Hen'nbiddies]

My goodness, I certainly didn't know I would open such a Pandora's box when I posted my original question.
I ordered my chicks from Ideal and they are advertised as Araucana/Americana -The Easter Egg Chicken. I guess they covered all of the bases with that title! Hahaha
I will just enjoy the eggs and if I sell any I will definately say that they are just EE. I certainly learned a lot from you folks. Thanks for your responses.

 

[cubalaya]

i have read jeans posts [ameraucana police] , oh please, and whenever someone puts a pic of an ameraucana that is not standard color she says EE. thats why

 

[cubalaya]

oh and for sonoran silkie i have no problem selling chicks, eggs and chickens so i dont need you for a customer.

 

[pips&peeps]

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By ignoring my posts and requests for pictures by myself and other members of the forum, it is quite obvious to me that you know you have easter eggers. I will step forward and tell you that you have easter eggers. Now you know and have been told publicly.

I'm sorry but you cannot breed a silver ameraucana to a blue wheaten ameraucana and get any sort of standard color from it, especially when your birds were mixed to begin with. They will not breed true to any degree.

If your birds, in your words, look like the standard colors, they are probably not the standard colors. There is little to no variation allowed in the feather colors. There can be striping in the hackles in wheatens and blue wheatens or a black feather pop up in a white bird or similar instances, but just looking similar is not the same.

Also, just because someone takes a bird to a show and wins BB, it does not necessarily mean it is a quality bird. Who was the judge? Were they APA or ABA qualified? Was the show a sanctioned show or was Joe Schmoe the 4-H leader judging the birds? Lots of people take their easter eggers and hatchery birds to shows and win because the so-called judge does not have a clue as to what they are looking at.

If you continue to sell your birds as ameraucanas, in my opinion, you are perpetuating lies and saying it's ok to rip people off by selling them easter eggers at a premium price, because someone did it to you. At least everyone here on BYC that wants real ameraucanas will know now not to buy from you.

 

[minna]

i have read jeans posts [ameraucana police] , oh please, and whenever someone puts a pic of an ameraucana that is not standard color she says EE. thats why

That's b/c plain and simple if it's not a standard color, it's not an Ameraucana. The End. I didn't make the rules, you didn't make the rules. The ppl who put a lot of time and effort into creating this breed and separating it from the junk that was left behind (read the history of them) and busted their tails to get it recognized as a breed, made the rules. That's the rule
That's b/c plain and simple if it's not a standard color, it's not an Ameraucana. I don't like the rule, I don't really understand it, but I accept it. You should to. You have EE's, it's not the end of the world. But don't lie about, that only keeps the confusion going for another generation.

ETA: Now why in the heck did it leave the quote out? Oh, well, you know who I am referring to. fixed it.​

 

[cubalaya]

i am not going to argue about this anymore. i am probably the most honest person you have ever met. i made my point and you are so blinded you cant see it. go back and read all the posts. if all the hatcheries are selling production reds as rhode island reds then they are production rhode island reds and can be sold as such. no lies or dishonesty there.

 

[speckledhen]

cubalaya, you've received some good information here, as have we all. My suggestion is for everyone who is confused to go to breeder's sites and read the descriptions, look at pictures of the breed examples, etc, till you get it straight in your head.

If anyone sold me a bird that looked like an Ameraucana, but had green legged, brown egg laying EEs in its background (meaning it was actually an EE), and when it reproduced, the chicks turned out to be non-standard colors with green legs, I'd be more than a bit peeved, especially since I would have bought them for breeding. I believe that is some of what's being said here.

Since this has degenerated into a sniping match, I am closing it down. I'm sure this subject will come up again; it always does. Thanks for your participation.