EE or Ameraucana?

[Painted Calls]

Moony was saying that people use the term EE too loosely now. So by the general consensus, anything mixed is an EE. Therefore that label has become pretty useless due to the overuse.

 

[TheOddOneOut]

Moony was saying that people use the term EE too loosely now. So by the general consensus, anything mixed is an EE. Therefore that label has become pretty useless.

Agreed.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Moony is as Moony does.
I wasn't shaming just as I wasn't mocking the time you swore I was.
I sometimes have a different way of seeing things and a hillbilly filter that is often lazy and allows me freedom of speech when at times it probably shouldn't.
I think @ColtHandorf said it closest to my thoughts. IMO EEs did not come first and weren't used to create Ameraucanas.
IMO the term EE came long after Araucanas were an accepted breed and maybe after Ameraucanas were.
Sure there were a couple references to the term earlier but everyone wasn't running around calling birds EEs.
When I first heard the term being more widely used it was to describe birds that layed colored eggs. Blues and greens and although I never quite saw the color myself pink. Later it was used to describe a group of birds you could buy and get a basket of Easter colored eggs.
When the backyard chicken fade blew up is when the term started being to widely used. There had been the what's a true Ameraucana and what isn't ideal for years. It seems the new to poultry urbanites jumped on the Ameraucana versus EEs as some sort of badge of being an educated poultry owner. If you knew the difference you were an educated owner if you didn't you were still a newbie.
I think somewhere along the line of the Ameraucana/EE means I know something the term was lost to its actual heritage.
I had blue egg layers before many on here were born. I watched the evolution and the breeds get accepted. I can't jump on the new age EE idealism train.

 

[ColtHandorf]

EE shaming? Only people who are low enough to insult other people’s birds on the basis of genes would do that.

I think the term must have been created by owners of EE's that purchased them under the incorrect assumption that they were Ameraucana and became (as everyone now does) offended when people told them they were wrong. It's not a sensation many people enjoy. And as I've said until I'm blue in the face, there's nothing wrong with an EE. Just don't call it something it is not.

I think @ColtHandorf said it closest to my thoughts.

 

[DarJones]

You convinced me. Since Moony is definitely mixed, he must be an easter egger. Now lets go on to something more interesting like whether or not a blue egg laying leghorn is really a leghorn.

What came first is not really debatable as there are records of blue egg laying birds dating back into the early 1900's in the U.S. They were commonly referred to as South American birds and eventually stabilized into Araucanas. There were a ton of genetic issues with Araucanas including the ear tufts gene and tailless/rumpless. Breeders wanted something a bit less problematic to lay blue eggs so they developed the early Ameraucanas. From those efforts came the first "easter eggers". If the bird makes you happy, who cares.

 

[nicalandia]

Breeders wanted something a bit less problematic to lay blue eggs so they developed the early Ameraucanas. From those efforts came the first "easter eggers". If the bird makes you happy, who cares.

You have that backwards, hatchery Easter Egg chickens were used to create Ameraucanas(this comes directly from their breed founders), Hatcheries have been selling Easter Egg chickens before the Ameraucana were accepted in the SOP

 

[The Moonshiner]

You convinced me. Since Moony is definitely mixed, he must be an easter egger. Now lets go on to something more interesting like whether or not a blue egg laying leghorn is really a leghorn.

What came first is not really debatable as there are records of blue egg laying birds dating back into the early 1900's in the U.S. They were commonly referred to as South American birds and eventually stabilized into Araucanas. There were a ton of genetic issues with Araucanas including the ear tufts gene and tailless/rumpless. Breeders wanted something a bit less problematic to lay blue eggs so they developed the early Ameraucanas. From those efforts came the first "easter eggers". If the bird makes you happy, who cares.

You know I worried about you before but now you've convinced me. You're gonna fit in here just fine.

 

[The Moonshiner]

You have that backwards, hatchery Easter Egg chickens were used to create Ameraucanas(this comes directly from their breed founders), Hatcheries have been selling Easter Egg chickens before the Ameraucana were accepted in the SOP

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I believe he has it right.
I'm not sure what you're saying with the article. I don't see the term Easter Egger or EE mentioned at all. What I did see is just what I remember. Those early birds were all called Araucanas. The original birds used to create Ameraucanas were not EEs they were Araucanas.
It doesn't surprise me that the Ameraucana club would reference the Ameraucanas foundation birds as anything other then Araucanas. There was a rivalry back then between the two proposed breeds.
Hell maybe the Ameraucana club is who took the term EE widespread. Wonder if they were responsible if they're kicking themselves now.

 

[The Moonshiner]

You have that backwards, hatchery Easter Egg chickens were used to create Ameraucanas(this comes directly from their breed founders), Hatcheries have been selling Easter Egg chickens before the Ameraucana were accepted in the SOP

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I'm still lost on your understanding.
I went to the Ameraucana clubs page on the breed history.
Ya I only got maybe half way through until I got tired of reading but it doesn't seem to support any notion that Ameraucana came from EEs.
From what I read there to was no mention of the term Easter Egger as their foundation birds. It clearly stated as I have that the first birds were Araucanas.
Idk why some push so hard to want everyone to think EEs date back so far and that they're responsible for the birth of Ameraucana.

 

[nicalandia]

Idk why some push so hard to want everyone to think EEs date back so far and that they're responsible for the birth of Ameraucana.

Let me try to find the Quote from the Horse's mouth.

Edit. here is it

http://ameraucanaalliance.org/forum/index.php?topic=822.0

http://ameraucanabreedersclub.org/forum/index.php?topic=181.0

That's Mike Gilbert: Co-founded Ameraucana Bantam Club in 1978 with Don Cable. Developed many original strains of Ameraucana bantams, and several of Ameraucana large fowl. Life member of the American Poultry Association and the American Bantam Association