EE or Ameraucana?

[Painted Calls]

Yeah..... that's really what it's sounding like unfortunately

Just let it roll off your back.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Just let it roll off your back.

Yep, still working on that, especially after the "sexlink that was not a sexlink" incident

 

[nicalandia]

I gotta agree. I might be missing something (Moony, Overo and Colt have all seen it's possible with me) but how does whatever of the 3 came first and made the other 2 have to do with whether genetically pure Ameraucana are EEs because they are mixed color

The way I understood the founder Ameraucana breeder stance is: EEs existed before the Ameraucana SOP and the moment they started following and breeding to the SOP they became Ameraucana and the moment Ameraucanas stop following the SOP they once again become EEs.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

The way I understood the founder Ameraucana breeder stance is: EEs existed before the Ameraucana SOP and the moment they started following and breeding to the SOP they became Ameraucana and the moment Ameraucanas stop following the SOP they once again become EEs.

Oh, okay. That does make sense then for everything, thanks

 

[The Moonshiner]

The way I understood the founder Ameraucana breeder stance is: EEs existed before the Ameraucana SOP and the moment they started following and breeding to the SOP they became Ameraucana and the moment Ameraucanas stop following the SOP they once again become EEs.

Who's the "founder Ameraucana breeder?
Are you sure?
Was there only one?
Are you sure?

 

[DarJones]

All this discussion is missing the history. Araucanas were an established "breed" with specific characteristics. I won't repeat them, but please look them up to see they were and are. As crosses were made to other breeds and birds were developed with tails and beards that laid blue eggs, a problem came up for what to call them. Some called them Araucanas, but this was incorrect because they did NOT match the characteristics of Araucanas. These early birds were the source of both easter eggers and Ameraucanas. They have tails, beards, and they lay blue or sometimes pink eggs. Ameraucanas were bred to establish a standard with specific stable colors and beards and blue eggs. Easter eggers were similarly bred to beards and mostly blue eggs but were not otherwise stabilized. Said another way, the birds that were bred to a standard set of traits became Ameraucanas to differentiate them from the otherwise less selected easter eggers. Another thing, Easter Egger was a derogatory term used quite frequently in the 1970's and 1980's. Today it is not so derogatory except perhaps to Ameraucana breeders.

 

[ColtHandorf]

Now if you want to refer to them as Easter Eggers formally known as Araucanas I might rethink my position.

Like the artist formally known as?

The hatchery were selling them as Easter Egg chickens or Araucanas but were in fact the EEs we have come to know with multiple colors shape and forms that laid colored eggs

Here is my issue. They were sold as Araucanas. The Ameraucana Club and the multiple breeders that founded the breed established the term Easter Egger to describe birds that didn't meet the breed requirements. That was then at a later date retroactively applied to birds that didn't meet either of the SOP for Araucana or Ameraucana.

So like I said, EE was used to classify birds that were essentially a colored egg-laying landrace group of chickens from South America.

Are the feral birds in Hawaii and Florida considered a breed? Not a recognized one. Just like Easter Eggers aren't recognized.

Because at the time they were called Araucanas. Those birds used were called Araucanas.
Why do we need to go back in time and rename those birds?

This. They were what they were. I mean we've named things and reclassified them in the fossil record because we didn't know better. But those were species. Not breeds.

I'd just call them mixed color Ams.

"Non-standard Ameraucanas." lol Although the purist Ameraucana breeders will tell you they are Easter Eggers.

Again linking this thread where all this has been hashed out by people far more educated on the matter than any of us. @pips&peeps was in the club and worked on recognizing a color for goodness sake...

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/differences-ee-ameraucana-araucana-pls-post-pics.128806/

 

[nicalandia]

Here is my issue. They were sold as Araucanas. The Ameraucana Club and the multiple breeders that founded the breed established the term Easter Egger to describe birds that didn't meet the breed requirements.

I know the Term Easter Egger have been used to described chickens that laid colored eggs sold by hatcheries way before the Araucana and Ameraucana breed got accepted to the SOP. The National Geographic posted pictures of an Eater Eagger Hen way back on the 1940s

 

[EmmaRainboe]

"It's an EE" argument brew if I end up getting some

To me they would be mixed colored Ameraucanas.
But many breeders will tell you they are easter eggers.

Does it really make a big difference to you whether they are called Ameraucanas or EEs? You can't show them, you haven't worked years to create a new color/variety, why do you care if they are "technically EEs?" If they make you happy, I don't see why it matters if people tell you they are EEs.

 

[nicalandia]

To me they would be mixed colored Ameraucanas.
But many breeders will tell you they are easter eggers.

Does it really make a big difference to you whether they are called Ameraucanas or EEs? You can't show them, you haven't worked years to create a new color/variety, why do you care if they are "technically EEs?" If they make you happy, I don't see why it matters if people tell you they are EEs.

Many people like arguing semantics