Egg bound tiny serama hen

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I have a three year old serama hen who seems to be egg bound but I’m not sure. She’s tiny for a serama, not micro but definitely not a larger sized serama. She’s been looking poorly for a while now. About a month ago I noticed she had runny green poo with mucus, looked lethargic (tail down, walking around but without gusto) and dry skin plus weight loss. I treated her with a dewormer as a start. She seemed to be better so I figured that was it.

Then I noticed a few days ago she was doing the same thing. I brought her inside. She is even skinnier now but still eats and moves around. I decided to try and give her a de-wormer again, but when I did, when she struggled she vomited up a bit of clear liquid. Her crop was full of liquid it seemed. So I thought perhaps the problem was sour crop. I gave her yogurt that evening, which she ate but did notice in the morning her crop was empty.

Another thing I noticed was that she was straining to poop- making a noise when she did. In fact one time she strained so hard she tumbled over. I decided to check for an egg. I really have no idea how to do that, or just where one would feel an egg, but yes, I do feel something hard and egg shaped (round) at the bottom of what I suppose would be her rib cage- just outside of it. It’s NOT in the vent or anywhere near the cloaca. I’ve noticed this round hard lump for a day and a half now. If it’s an egg, it’s not moved.

So I gave her the crushed up 1/2 tums tablet, with yogurt, and to the best if my ability tried to get some ky jelly into her vent plus put some preparation H on her vent to try and perhaps get any inflamation down, I then soaked her in warm Epsom salts bath, followed by a blow dry then onto a warm heater pad for her to sit on... nothin’. 🙁 I’ve messaged the area...again, nothing. I am at a loss as to what to do. She us now uninterested in regular food, including the yogurt, though she ate most of the chopped up spinach I gave her.
One huge question I have is- with seramas.. How can you put your finger up the vent in order to treat them for this?! They are too small. I would like to try to put some mineral oil into the vent (she seems very dry- her comb, wattle and face skin looks very dry). Can I use a needle less syringe to do this? I’m afraid of hurting her.

The other question is..,can eggs be stuck in other places other than the vent? And if so, is this still considered “egg bound”, or is it another issue? where exactly on the hen would you feel an egg? I’ve heard people talk about feeling eggs in hens, but I don’t know where they mean. This hard round object (which I assume is an egg) is under her, between her legs but up towards the vent a bit, just after where the bones stop. She appeared to be healthy otherwise. All the rest of the flock is doing well.

How can I help her?! Thanks in advance for any replies. I attached a photo of her poop (the puddle of white mucus- the big green bit is spinach and an oat can be seen in the front of the photo) and a photo of her currently. She is not panting Or appearing to be in any pain. Just staying still. Tail down and head closer to body. You can see her green droppings to the left of her from overnight.
 

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Do you know where the keel "bone" is? It's the cartilage that you feel going along the breast. If she is egg bound, it'll usually be at the end of the that between the legs. It does depend on what stage it's in, but if it already feels like it has a shell, it will be closer to the vent.
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Here are some pictures to help explain. From what it sounds like, you've done about all you can. I suggest taking a needless syringe and lube her vent with some mineral oil to help her pass it hopefully.
Has she had access to oyster shell?
 
Do you know where the keel "bone" is? It's the cartilage that you feel going along the breast. If she is egg bound, it'll usually be at the end of the that between the legs. It does depend on what stage it's in, but if it already feels like it has a shell, it will be closer to the vent.
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Here are some pictures to help explain. From what it sounds like, you've done about all you can. I suggest taking a needless syringe and lube her vent with some mineral oil to help her pass it hopefully.
Has she had access to oyster shell?


Yes, that’s exactly where I feel it. Thank you! I wasn’t sure. It definitely feels like there is a shell already. It feels slightly larger than norm, but it’s hard to tell being that it’s invaded in layers of flesh tissue.

Yes, they have access to oyster shell now. Back a few months they were without it for awhile. Should I offer some to her now as well?

I will do the mineral oil thing now. I have her on an electric heating pad - is this good? Can it substitute for hot water baths? I didn’t want to dry out her skin more than it already is. She’s had two baths so far already.
 
I would also look more into the dry skin. Here's an article:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/16961
I don’t see any sores or rashes. Just dry skin. In fact all my flocks seem to have dry skin right now. I was assuming it was the weather (cold and dry). They all have access to diatomaceous earth and I didn’t see any mites or any other stuff in her bath water. It usually looks like pepper on top of the water. I’ve not seen any of my birds scratch themselves. I spend a good amount of time with them daily. should I treat with topical ivermectin just in case? How much for a serama?

I didn’t think chickens could get scabies. ?
 
Good news! I just checked and it’s moved. Heard her straining hard again and went to go have a look. No egg but it’s not right under the keel now but between the vent and end of the keel bone.
is it better to have her in the dark (I have her in a cat carrier with a towel around the holes for shade) or should she be in the bright sunshine?

EDIT: the egg seemed to have moved back now. ? So ignore what I said.
 
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Not good... I feel a second egg in there now. Help! Help! Now what? Do I call the vet?

I’ve put mineral oil in, but most of it came back out. Hopefully, some will sink in and help. She’s still eating but only a little. She doesn’t seem like she’s too bad yet. I guess I’ll just continue with the warm Epsom salt soak, calcium and mineral oil? Can a veterinarian do anything else for a serama?
 
Anyone?

she’s still here, but dwindling. I got the egg to move towards the vent via some gentle pressing. I’m still doing the treatments. It seems like she’s going to prolapse. Does anyone have any ideas?
 
Does she relax when you are giving her a soak? If so, I would get her back into the bath. If she is inclined to fret while bathing I would put her in a warm (heat mat) dark corner somewhere to try help her pass it. How long is it since you gave her calcium? If it's many hours I would give her more now too.
Some people do try to manually get the egg out but I never have and am therefore not qualified to try guide you through, too much danger of breaking the egg for me. Best of luck!
 
Does she relax when you are giving her a soak? If so, I would get her back into the bath. If she is inclined to fret while bathing I would put her in a warm (heat mat) dark corner somewhere to try help her pass it. How long is it since you gave her calcium? If it's many hours I would give her more now too.
Some people do try to manually get the egg out but I never have and am therefore not qualified to try guide you through, too much danger of breaking the egg for me. Best of luck!
She’s not trying much at all. Just stays in one place...no squeezing unless I’m manually gently pushing the egg towards her vent. She squeezes then. I don’t see the egg crowning, but it’s there. It appears there’s some sort of prolapse occurring since all I see is red tissue.

Getting her to eat is difficult now. I have her in a round cat bed with a heating pad, in the dark. She seems to not like the warm bath and tries to jump out after 15 minutes, so I am just opting for the heating pad. It’s been since yesterday with the calcium, so I’ll give some more. I put quite a substantial amount of ky jelly in her vent.

When I push, it’s like the egg is there but there’s a fleshy blockage. The egg also turns all around inside. She can still poop a little bit and her poop is not totally green (like what you’d see with a chicken not eating at all) but it’s a greenish brown. There is also I’m assuming urates in mucus? ...it’s just whitish stuff in clear fluid. I’m trying to hydrate her with coconut water, a bit of pro-vida vitamin supplement and a bit of raw honey for some energy. Oh, I also put some preparation h on her vent and surrounding skin to try and help any inflammation.

i’ll give her the calcium supplement and then try to help push again.

it’s right there... right at the vent. it’s so sad! Please pray for us that she gets to safely pass this!
 

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