Egg break inside / soft shell

[Wyorp Rock]

Ok so should I tell my vet this….? Are these generally approved for use on chickens?

I sort of think this is what they prescribed because from what I can see there is no egg withdrawl period. I would totally be willing to not eat her eggs for a period of time if other antibiotics would be more useful for her condition. The vet I saw also has very limited chicken experience from what I could tell but she did say there’s another vet in the office who raises chickens but just wasn’t in that day. Genny is looking ok now (standing and alert and pooping some) but as the days go on she’s less interested in eating or drinking on her own and there is swelling in her abdomen.

Baytril is not approved for use in poultry. Some vets do prescribe it or you can order it online.

Can you tell if the swelling feels like fluid?

 

[Skibum]

Baytril is not approved for use in poultry. Some vets do prescribe it or you can order it online.

Can you tell if the swelling feels like fluid?

Yes swelling feels like fluid. It is not firm to the touch. Her poops are still more yellow than any other color. Still alert and standing normally but not much walking around when I let her out of the hospital cage in the laundry room.

 

[Skibum]

Yes swelling feels like fluid. It is not firm to the touch. Her poops are still more yellow than any other color. Still alert and standing normally but not much walking around when I let her out of the hospital cage in the laundry room.

Are you thinking water belly may be more likely?

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Are you thinking water belly may be more likely?

Water Belly a.k.a Ascites is a symptom. Sometimes fluid can accumulate in the abdomen due to reproductive problems and/or organ dysfunction. Draining the fluid may give temporary relief but whatever condition/illness is causing the fluid will still exist.

 

[Skibum]

Water Belly a.k.a Ascites is a symptom. Sometimes fluid can accumulate in the abdomen due to reproductive problems and/or organ dysfunction. Draining the fluid may give temporary relief but whatever condition/illness is causing the fluid will still exist.

Yes that’s what I figured. Well Genny has surpassed her 48 hour death sentence from the vet. Eyes are still normal and alert. She fights like hell when I give her her daily medicine (I get it down but she clearly still has some strength). She’s still chickening ie rubbing her beak, scratching, and standing normally. No appetite today but she did drink on her own albeit i Switched her electrolyte water to sugar water. I can feel her keel bone more than a few days ago. I figure if nothing else the fluid retention could be affecting her desire to eat. I’m not really sure what to do. I’ll call the vet in the AM if she’s still with us. Idk that they’ll have much advice on if draining is a good idea. If it’s all infected in there idk if it might make it worse.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Yes that’s what I figured. Well Genny has surpassed her 48 hour death sentence from the vet. Eyes are still normal and alert. She fights like hell when I give her her daily medicine (I get it down but she clearly still has some strength). She’s still chickening ie rubbing her beak, scratching, and standing normally. No appetite today but she did drink on her own albeit i Switched her electrolyte water to sugar water. I can feel her keel bone more than a few days ago. I figure if nothing else the fluid retention could be affecting her desire to eat. I’m not really sure what to do. I’ll call the vet in the AM if she’s still with us. Idk that they’ll have much advice on if draining is a good idea. If it’s all infected in there idk if it might make it worse.

A lot of people drain the fluid themselves.
Another alternative is to give Aloe Detox. @coach723 explains how she used that here
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...rolapsed-vent-need-help.1351009/post-22269256

Is her crop emptying?

Yes, often they do go off feed when having reproductive issues. When I have one that is like this, I try different things to see if they will eat something. Scrambled egg, a bit of cooked liver, bits of soaked bread, tomato, sardines or tuna, buttermilk with white cooked rice...I'm not advocating these things long term, but sometimes "goodies" for a few short days will get them over the hump and back to eating more normal.

 

[Skibum]

A lot of people drain the fluid themselves.
Another alternative is to give Aloe Detox. @coach723 explains how she used that here
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...rolapsed-vent-need-help.1351009/post-22269256

Is her crop emptying?

Yes, often they do go off feed when having reproductive issues. When I have one that is like this, I try different things to see if they will eat something. Scrambled egg, a bit of cooked liver, bits of soaked bread, tomato, sardines or tuna, buttermilk with white cooked rice...I'm not advocating these things long term, but sometimes "goodies" for a few short days will get them over the hump and back to eating more normal.

Yes I’m willing to do it myself but since they checked in with me the following day I sort of feel like I should let them know what’s going on.

Yesterday she was more willing to eat pomegranate than anything else. Today I tried scrambled eggs but she didn’t really want them. Her crop has been emptying but today she didn’t really eat much of anything besides the egg fed by opening her beak.

 

[Skibum]

Yes I’m willing to do it myself but since they checked in with me the following day I sort of feel like I should let them know what’s going on.

Yesterday she was more willing to eat pomegranate than anything else. Today I tried scrambled eggs but she didn’t really want them. Her crop has been emptying but today she didn’t really eat much of anything besides the egg fed by opening her

A lot of people drain the fluid themselves.
Another alternative is to give Aloe Detox. @coach723 explains how she used that here
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...rolapsed-vent-need-help.1351009/post-22269256

Is her crop emptying?

Yes, often they do go off feed when having reproductive issues. When I have one that is like this, I try different things to see if they will eat something. Scrambled egg, a bit of cooked liver, bits of soaked bread, tomato, sardines or tuna, buttermilk with white cooked rice...I'm not advocating these things long term, but sometimes "goodies" for a few short days will get them over the hump and back to eating more normal.

Yes I’m willing to do it myself but since they checked in with me the following day I sort of feel like I should let them know what’s going on.

Yesterday she was more willing to eat pomegranate than anything else. Today I tried scrambled eggs but she didn’t really want them. Her crop has been emptying but today she didn’t really eat much of anything besides the egg fed by opening her beak. I made cooked brown rice today I’ll try that tomorrow.

I’m concerned to drain when she is already dehydrated (comb got floppier yesterda but retained normal color). If I do decide to drain it seems it might be best to force fluids. I read over a cup is advised which seems like a lot to eye drop in. As I said before she did resume drinking on her own when I switched to sugar water from electrolyte.

Yes I’m willing to do it myself but since they checked in with me the following day I sort of feel like I should let them know what’s going on.

Yesterday she was more willing to eat pomegranate than anything else. Today I tried scrambled eggs but she didn’t really want them. Her crop has been emptying but today she didn’t really eat much of anything besides the egg fed by opening her beak.

A lot of people drain the fluid themselves.
Another alternative is to give Aloe Detox. @coach723 explains how she used that here
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...rolapsed-vent-need-help.1351009/post-22269256

Is her crop emptying?

Yes, often they do go off feed when having reproductive issues. When I have one that is like this, I try different things to see if they will eat something. Scrambled egg, a bit of cooked liver, bits of soaked bread, tomato, sardines or tuna, buttermilk with white cooked rice...I'm not advocating these things long term, but sometimes "goodies" for a few short days will get them over the hump and back to eating more normal.

I’m concerned to drain when she is already dehydrated (comb got floppier yesterday but retained normal color). If I do decide to drain it seems it might be best to force fluids. I read over a cup is advised which seems like a lot to eye drop in. As I said before she did resume drinking on her own when I switched to sugar water from electrolyte.

I did use the dropper to get about 4ml in before I thought to switch to the sugar water.

 

[Razzlefrazzle]

Is she swollen enough that she looks uncomfortable and has trouble walking? The only reason to try draining (I think) is to relieve pressure on her other organs...

In my limited experience my chickens have handled draining well. Never needed to push fluids. I was also careful not to try and drain all the fluid. I always stopped after removing about a cup of fluid or when it became difficult to draw out. They also generally continue to drain a little on their own from the needle hole for the rest of the day.

If you do decide to try draining you'll have a better idea of whats going on with her: if the fluid is green/smells terrible she's got an infection, amber colored fluid is "normal" ascites fluid, and if she is laying internally the "fluid" is going to be yellow yolky egg material (which is actually quite hard to drain through a needle because it's too viscous).

 

[Skibum]

Is she swollen enough that she looks uncomfortable and has trouble walking? The only reason to try draining (I think) is to relieve pressure on her other organs...

In my limited experience my chickens have handled draining well. Never needed to push fluids. I was also careful not to try and drain all the fluid. I always stopped after removing about a cup of fluid or when it became difficult to draw out. They also generally continue to drain a little on their own from the needle hole for the rest of the day.

If you do decide to try draining you'll have a better idea of whats going on with her: if the fluid is green/smells terrible she's got an infection, amber colored fluid is "normal" ascites fluid, and if she is laying internally the "fluid" is going to be yellow yolky egg material (which is actually quite hard to drain through a needle because it's too viscous).

I have her in a hospital crate and when I let her out she doesn’t move too much but she’s scratching normally. Her stance isn’t effected. She can still perch on my arm and today she flew on top of the crate while I was drying her after an epsom bath.