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Ok ..... I think this thread ran out of usefulness a good while ago, but you make some pretty wild statements and I shall address them.
First. It is simple common sense to look to the commercial producers for help in succeeding. No one has suggested emulating them, but the question here was posed under very narrow confines .... that is, are there good reasons why chicken eggs would hatch better in an egg carton, or not. The common feeling being that the rolling around cannot be good for them.
Egg cartons may indeed have a place, but not for this reason .... well not in any way supported by evidence. You might not like this simple conclusion, but that's neither here nor there. As a conclusion, it is inescapable, until there is evidence otherwise.
Commercial hatcheries hatch eggs in trays, up to 200 per tray. The rolling and jostling must be considerable, yet they achieve uniform, and uniformly excellent hatch rates. Quite why you think this fact is suddenly to be ignored because a few people think egg cartons are neat and tidy is beyond me.
But you are right in one respect. People do come here for help and advice. They deserve that advice to be accurate and well founded.
Twigg, the vast majority of the time, looking to larger businesses for examples is a sound business practice. But, to simply say "Because big business does it, THEREFORE it must be good and right" is in my opinion erroneous. We have no way of knowing if they have conducted research into this particular hatching method or rather are they simply conducting business as usual, the way they have done it for hundreds of years. For all we know, they may not want the added expense of changing the equipment over etc. There are too many reasons why they may not want to do this and it may have nothing to do with success rates. Yes, they are businesses and in for the top dollar, but trying to get businesses to change business practices is a long and complicated process. The old addage, "if it ain't broke don't fix it"... does not necessarily apply here. Just because it is not broken does not mean that there is not room for improvment. Also, one must look at the differences between hatchery incubators and ours. It is not even responsible to look at how hens do it. We want to know how to get the best results with home styrofoam incubators which may well be different than hens and different than enormous bulk hathery incubators. And to assume that the rolling and josteling in enormous hathery trays is huge, is sheer fallacy. They could be so full that they are literraly wall to wall and have no movement whatsoever. And as I said before, we are not "simply ignoring" this fact, we are just choosing not to compare apples and oranges. To look at how they do it, is not comparable to how kitchens across America can and should be doing it.
And you are right, the advice should be accurate and helpful. Continuing to be argumentative and taking us back to how hatcheries do it, and that is NOT the topic here, is neither accurate nor helpful.
And if you think this thread ran out of usefulness quite some time ago, it is hard to understand why you continue reading this post, let alone posting here.
Twigg, I am very sorry you feel this way. That said, LAST WARNING. Drop it.
I started this thread with the intention of finding out what other people's EXPERIENCES are, not to find out how "inaccurate" and "useless" people who have not tried this, think this is.
Rainbow Eggs: Thank you
We will see how long this stays open. Hopefully, I and anyone else who wants to will continue to post hatching results and methods.
Mods, if you feel that this is inflammatory, feel free to edit as you wish. I am having a difficult time knowing whether or not I have stepped over the line on this one.
