Egg incubation techniques

Ridge Runner: You've had a lot of experience with broodies: how often do you have issues of the broody returning to the wrong nest, other hens laying in the broody nest after she's well along with her incubation, or other hens getting into the broody nest and breaking eggs? So, if you have a hen go broody in any nest, you just leave her to her devices. Do you intervene is she's chosen an high nest? I'd love for you to shake up my paradigm!!
 
I'm not Ridgerunner and you didn't ask my opinion but I'll tell you anyway. ;)


*how often do you have issues of the broody returning to the wrong nest,*
If in a row of next boxes, every other time she returns from pooping & eating. If in a secluded place of her own chosing, never.

*other hens laying in the broody nest after she's well along with her incubation,*
In a row of nest boxes, every day. I mark the original clutch with a sharpie and gather the rest each day. If in a secluded place of her own chosing, never.

*or other hens getting into the broody nest and breaking eggs?*
If a hen is sitting on a dozen eggs in a nest box, 3-4 will get broken from other hens stomping in & out.

*So, if you have a hen go broody in any nest, you just leave her to her devices.*
I throw my broody hens in a broody breaking cage. When I want new chicks I use the Lectric Hen.
Sometimes they still sneak off and hatch their own. I try to catch the new chicks before the cats do and put them in the brooder or grower pen so they will be safe.
 
Those are all fair questions. My answers will cover the last five years I’ve been living here with a mature flock. I’ve had about 15 broodies in that time that I let hatch. I’ve broken several more from being broody.

how often do you have issues of the broody returning to the wrong nest,

Probably five times though some hens are more prone to that than others. One hen had three of those five times in one incubation. When I see that I just move her back to the right nest. One time I found a different broody on the wrong nest and the eggs felt ice cold. I moved her back on the nest anyway. She hatched 11 out of 11 eggs. It’s not always a disaster.

Of course I’m not there watching but what I assume happens is that another hen gets on her nest to lay and egg while the broody is out for her daily constitutional. When the broody gets back she gets confused and goes to the wrong nest.

other hens laying in the broody nest after she's well along with her incubation,

Other hens will lay in the broody’s nest in about half the incubations, maybe just a bit less. That’s why I mark the eggs and check under her late in the day for any unmarked eggs. As long as you remove them daily, those eggs are still good to use. I’ve never had a problem with another hen laying an egg with the broody once the eggs start to pip. I’m not sure why, it seems like they should, but it just hasn’t happened. I don’t know of the broody defends her nest or the others just don’t do it if they hear chirping. I’d be shocked if someone else has not experienced that but I just haven’t.

or other hens getting into the broody nest and breaking eggs?

On rare occasions an egg does get broken. I’m not there to see it happen so I can’t say exactly what caused it, but I have not seen any correlation to another hen laying in the nest and an egg getting broken. In other words, when I do get a broken egg I usually do not find any unmarked eggs in the nest.

Most of the time when I see a broken egg, it looks like a toenail punctured the egg, not that the egg is split in half. And the egg shell is usually unusually thin. That could have come from another hen walking on the eggs but the broody herself will walk on the eggs when she gets on and off the nest. The broody uses her feet to turn the eggs too.

I can remember only one time that an egg was split open. That made a mess in the nest and got practically all the other eggs dirty. That was just a few days into incubation so I tossed all those eggs, cleaned the nest, and gave her some more eggs.

My broodies generally allow other hens to climb in the nest to lay an egg. It’s not a dramatic event though on occasion a broody will defend her nest. I can easily see where an egg could get broken while the broody is defending her nest from a hen wanting to lay an egg but I haven’t seen any evidence that has happened with mine.

It is also possible a broody will defend her nest from something else. I have had a snake eat the eggs out from under a broody. That specific broody did not defend her nest at all, just sat there while a five foot black snake was sort of wrapped around her and going after the eggs. I can see where the eggs could get damaged if a broody did defend her nest against a snake, rat, or some other predator. I think this is what happened when that egg was split open. I’d been having a problem with a snake but after that, the snake quit coming around. But that is a guess, I don’t know that for sure.

I did have one real disaster. A second hen went broody a couple of days before the first broody was due to hatch. About the time the eggs started internal pip, the two broodies fought over the eggs. She probably heard them chirping in the eggs. About half the eggs were broken in that fight. I knew I should have isolated that second broody because of the potential for this to happen, but I failed.

So, if you have a hen go broody in any nest, you just leave her to her devices. Do you intervene is she's chosen an high nest?

The only ways I normally interfere with a broody is when I give her the marked eggs. I remove the fake egg and any others in the nest and slip the marked ones under her. That’s usually in the middle of the day. Then, once every day until hatch starts I check under her late in the day to see if there are any unmarked eggs in there of if anything else is wrong. I never candle the eggs. I just leave her alone. After hatch starts, I leave her alone. The more I interfere the more harm I’m likely to do. I leave her alone until she decides to bring the chicks off the nest.

If the coop is pretty crowded I will probably move her to a coop I’ve got out in the run. After a couple of days there I open that up and let her raise her chicks with the flock. She returns to that coop at night. If the main coop is not very crowded I don’t even do that, just leave her alone. It may be a day or two before I know how many chicks she has for sure and what colors they are. I’ve never had another adult flock member harm a chick.

One time I picked a hen up after she brought her chicks off the nest so I could see what she had. One chick had crawled up under her wing. I crushed it and killed it by picking her up. The more I interfere the more harm I do.

I saw a broody hen get chicks out of a 10’ high hay loft back when I was a kid growing up on a farm. She said jump and they did, then bounced up and run to her. It does not bother me if a nest is high but I certainly don’t advocate ten foot high nests. My highest nest is about 3-1/2 feet high. I’ve had hens get chicks down from that with no problem. Usually they will take the chicks to a corner of the coop to spend the night instead of trying to go back into a low nest, but I have had a couple of broodies take chicks back into one of the low nest, maybe 14” off the coop floor. Most of the time the chicks make it, but once I had to help a couple get in that nest the first night. I have seen a broody try to get her chicks to go to a nest, but when some couldn’t make it she gave up and went to a coop corner.

I did have a problem once in a nest. I used a cat litter bucket so it was kind of small. When a chick that had hatched early climbed up on Mama’s back it fell off and hit the floor. Chicks do that all the time, climb up on Mama and eventually fall off. My other nests are 16” square and that is never a problem, but with that small nest Mama was sitting so close to the edge that the chicks sometimes fell out. I picked three chicks back up and put them back in that nest that time. Then I retired that nest. The chicks were not hurt, either by the fall or the other adults.

I did have a broody kill three of the eight chicks she hatched. I don’t know why but she did. It was not another hen in the flock. It was the broody.

Most of my broody hatches have been without any real drama. Most of the problems I’ve seen could have happened even if the hen were isolated, especially if a snake can get in with her. But yes, there are risks with a broody hatching with the flock. There are also risks incubating them yourself or isolating a broody. Choose a method and try it. If you don’t like it, try something different.

Hope that answers most of your questions.
 
Those are all fair questions. My answers will cover the last five years I’ve been living here with a mature flock. I’ve had about 15 broodies in that time that I let hatch. I’ve broken several more from being broody.

how often do you have issues of the broody returning to the wrong nest,

Probably five times though some hens are more prone to that than others. One hen had three of those five times in one incubation. When I see that I just move her back to the right nest. One time I found a different broody on the wrong nest and the eggs felt ice cold. I moved her back on the nest anyway. She hatched 11 out of 11 eggs. It’s not always a disaster.

Of course I’m not there watching but what I assume happens is that another hen gets on her nest to lay and egg while the broody is out for her daily constitutional. When the broody gets back she gets confused and goes to the wrong nest.

other hens laying in the broody nest after she's well along with her incubation,

Other hens will lay in the broody’s nest in about half the incubations, maybe just a bit less. That’s why I mark the eggs and check under her late in the day for any unmarked eggs. As long as you remove them daily, those eggs are still good to use. I’ve never had a problem with another hen laying an egg with the broody once the eggs start to pip. I’m not sure why, it seems like they should, but it just hasn’t happened. I don’t know of the broody defends her nest or the others just don’t do it if they hear chirping. I’d be shocked if someone else has not experienced that but I just haven’t.

or other hens getting into the broody nest and breaking eggs?

On rare occasions an egg does get broken. I’m not there to see it happen so I can’t say exactly what caused it, but I have not seen any correlation to another hen laying in the nest and an egg getting broken. In other words, when I do get a broken egg I usually do not find any unmarked eggs in the nest.

Most of the time when I see a broken egg, it looks like a toenail punctured the egg, not that the egg is split in half. And the egg shell is usually unusually thin. That could have come from another hen walking on the eggs but the broody herself will walk on the eggs when she gets on and off the nest. The broody uses her feet to turn the eggs too.

I can remember only one time that an egg was split open. That made a mess in the nest and got practically all the other eggs dirty. That was just a few days into incubation so I tossed all those eggs, cleaned the nest, and gave her some more eggs.

My broodies generally allow other hens to climb in the nest to lay an egg. It’s not a dramatic event though on occasion a broody will defend her nest. I can easily see where an egg could get broken while the broody is defending her nest from a hen wanting to lay an egg but I haven’t seen any evidence that has happened with mine.

It is also possible a broody will defend her nest from something else. I have had a snake eat the eggs out from under a broody. That specific broody did not defend her nest at all, just sat there while a five foot black snake was sort of wrapped around her and going after the eggs. I can see where the eggs could get damaged if a broody did defend her nest against a snake, rat, or some other predator. I think this is what happened when that egg was split open. I’d been having a problem with a snake but after that, the snake quit coming around. But that is a guess, I don’t know that for sure.

I did have one real disaster. A second hen went broody a couple of days before the first broody was due to hatch. About the time the eggs started internal pip, the two broodies fought over the eggs. She probably heard them chirping in the eggs. About half the eggs were broken in that fight. I knew I should have isolated that second broody because of the potential for this to happen, but I failed.

So, if you have a hen go broody in any nest, you just leave her to her devices. Do you intervene is she's chosen an high nest?

The only ways I normally interfere with a broody is when I give her the marked eggs. I remove the fake egg and any others in the nest and slip the marked ones under her. That’s usually in the middle of the day. Then, once every day until hatch starts I check under her late in the day to see if there are any unmarked eggs in there of if anything else is wrong. I never candle the eggs. I just leave her alone. After hatch starts, I leave her alone. The more I interfere the more harm I’m likely to do. I leave her alone until she decides to bring the chicks off the nest.

If the coop is pretty crowded I will probably move her to a coop I’ve got out in the run. After a couple of days there I open that up and let her raise her chicks with the flock. She returns to that coop at night. If the main coop is not very crowded I don’t even do that, just leave her alone. It may be a day or two before I know how many chicks she has for sure and what colors they are. I’ve never had another adult flock member harm a chick.

One time I picked a hen up after she brought her chicks off the nest so I could see what she had. One chick had crawled up under her wing. I crushed it and killed it by picking her up. The more I interfere the more harm I do.

I saw a broody hen get chicks out of a 10’ high hay loft back when I was a kid growing up on a farm. She said jump and they did, then bounced up and run to her. It does not bother me if a nest is high but I certainly don’t advocate ten foot high nests. My highest nest is about 3-1/2 feet high. I’ve had hens get chicks down from that with no problem. Usually they will take the chicks to a corner of the coop to spend the night instead of trying to go back into a low nest, but I have had a couple of broodies take chicks back into one of the low nest, maybe 14” off the coop floor. Most of the time the chicks make it, but once I had to help a couple get in that nest the first night. I have seen a broody try to get her chicks to go to a nest, but when some couldn’t make it she gave up and went to a coop corner.

I did have a problem once in a nest. I used a cat litter bucket so it was kind of small. When a chick that had hatched early climbed up on Mama’s back it fell off and hit the floor. Chicks do that all the time, climb up on Mama and eventually fall off. My other nests are 16” square and that is never a problem, but with that small nest Mama was sitting so close to the edge that the chicks sometimes fell out. I picked three chicks back up and put them back in that nest that time. Then I retired that nest. The chicks were not hurt, either by the fall or the other adults.

I did have a broody kill three of the eight chicks she hatched. I don’t know why but she did. It was not another hen in the flock. It was the broody.

Most of my broody hatches have been without any real drama. Most of the problems I’ve seen could have happened even if the hen were isolated, especially if a snake can get in with her. But yes, there are risks with a broody hatching with the flock. There are also risks incubating them yourself or isolating a broody. Choose a method and try it. If you don’t like it, try something different.

Hope that answers most of your questions.
Thanks this is very helpful you know how to get rid of a snake ? Put a golf ball in the nest
 
I keep golf balls in my nest at all times, except under a broody. Twice I’ve found a snake that ate the golf balls and could not get back out the hole it came in. I was able to reclaim those golf balls. Other times I’ve had snakes eat eggs and leave the golf balls behind.
 
Haha I wish golf balls would work with the coyotes and Bobcats too
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Thanks so much for taking the time with a detailed response.

One more question: Can you tell us how your roos have responded to the broody, and later to her chicks? Do your roos help with chick care? Defense, tid bitting??? Ever issues with roos trying to breed pullets who are clearly too young for that behavior?
 
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I’ve had different experiences. I’ve had one rooster try to mate a broody hen when she came off the nest for her daily constitutional. That as just one rooter and just one specific broody. I’ve never seen that behavior with any other rooster or any other broody and certainly not a broody with chicks. I can’t remember how old that rooster was but think he may have been fairly young still. Normally my roosters leave a broody hen alone, on the nest and when she is out on her daily constitutional. They just ignore her.

I have never had a dominant rooster do anything to harm a chick. Immature cockerels have on occasion threatened a chick but Mama quickly takes care of that. I’ve never had a chick harmed by another adult chicken, rooster or hen.

One thing that may be important. My roosters see the chicks when they are tiny chicks. They assume that those chicks are theirs and not a rival’s chicks. Color does not matter. If you wait to introduce the chicks until they are practically grown and seen as a rival’s offspring, strangers entering his flock, the reaction might be different. But I don’t do that so I can’t say for sure.

Most of my roosters pretty much ignore the chicks. They neither harm them nor help out with them. I don’t recall ever seeing a rooster trying to feed the chicks or anything like that. I have had a rooster help out when they are in trouble though. More than once I have seen a broody hen go through a gate but all her chicks did not follow her through. Some of the chicks were on the other side of the fence, following her along but stuck on the wrong side. The hen is calling to them, the chicks are peeping, and the hen has no concept of “gate”. I’ve seen roosters leave the other hens and go stay with the chicks until the hen figured out how to get them back together. He did not try to feed them, call them, keep them warm, just stayed there watching until the hen and chicks got back together. It did not take me long to open a big enough hole in the fence where that happened so the chicks could get through but dogs, raccoons, and foxes could not. I’m always changing something.

Another example of flock behavior, with the hens though, not the rooster. It’s not unusual for a chick about two weeks old to leave Mama’s immediate protection and go stand with the other hens around the feeder. Sometimes the other hens ignore that chick but usually one will eventually peck that chick to remind it that it is bad chicken etiquette for it to eat with its betters. The chick runs back to Mama with wings pumping and chirping loudly. Mama ignores all this. But on rare occasions a hen will follow that chick to better impart the lesson. Mama promptly whips butt. No one threatens her chicks.

Have I ever seen a mature rooster mate a pullet that is not yet laying? Yes. Not often, but yes. The mating ritual is not just about sex, it’s about dominance as well. A hen that is laying and needs her eggs fertilized gives certain signs, a dark red comb and wattles for example. Those are the ones that attract a rooster for sex and that is where the rooster will spend most of his energy. But he has to be the dominant chicken in the flock and one way to establish and demonstrate dominance is to mate with a chicken. The one on bottom is accepting the dominance of the one on top, either willingly or by force. That happens a whole lot with adolescents but occasionally it can happen with older chickens too.

When I see that, and it is pretty rare, I see that as a sign that the particular rooster probably does not have a great amount of self-confidence and I start efforts to replace him. Some make better flock masters than others. I’ve never seen a pullet injured by that behavior, but I have seen it and don’t much like it.
 
In my experience that all depends on the rooster.

* Can you tell us how your roos have responded to the broody, and later to her chicks? *
Some roosters find a puffed up clucking broody unappealing and leave her alone and others attempt to mate. The hen always tries to avoid the mating process and runs away puffed up with wing dragging.

* and later to her chicks? Do your roos help with chick care? Defense, tid bitting??? *
Some roosters ignore the new chicks, others peck at them but I never had one that carried out a full fledged attack. Some roosters are actually nuturing, caring & helpful, I call those broody roosters and always kept one on hand for when I had chicks. Last year I stuck about 2 dozen quail eggs under a large bantam hen who had a large bantam rooster for a broody rooster. This rooster would scratch & tidbit for the quail and the quail would follow him around like a mother hen. Only thing, he kept stepping on the tiny quail chicks and killing them because his foot would completely cover & smush them.
As far as defense, my roosters are chicken and flee at the slightest threat. My broody hens however are a different story, they turn mean & evil and attack everything that moves, including me, the dog and cats and the other chickens. I saw one, who had a fair amount of game in her, actually knock a cat out. Poor cat just walked by minding his own business and the hen flogged him and left him twitching on the ground and continued to attack him even after he was no longer a threat.

* Ever issues with roos trying to breed pullets who are clearly too young for that behavior? *
Young roosters will mate with anything. I had one that would pick a chick up by it's head and swing it around in front of him till I finally realized it was trying to mate the chick.
Roosters are a dime a dozen; I keep a few useful ones on hand but at the slightest infraction they get the axe, which is their intended purpose in the first place.
 

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