Everything Is Illegal In America??

[thaiturkey]

The point of the torturing was to save private citizens.

No, no! Your example involved family members, not the public in general. If your child was kidnapped and a suspect was apprehended, he would not be tortured.

 

[thaiturkey]

When you have a group of prisoners that you are getting info. from you can use the other prisoners to find out what is true and what is not. A skilled interrogator can tell from body language. For instance under water boarding the guy tells you they plan to blowup a blue building and when he tell another that we know they plan to blow up a blue building that person will show some sign that will say if we are on the right track.

We hold our self to a higher standard to our determent.

You mean 'detriment', I think.

You are dodging the issue. It's not whether torture is effective, it's whether there is a moral justification for illegally torturing someone in a country where your own country's Court cannot reach. Any opinion in favour is damaged by the clandestine way in which it was done and the attempts to cover it up.

 

[hemet dennis]

No, no! Your example involved family members, not the public in general. If your child was kidnapped and a suspect was apprehended, he would not be tortured.

I was not talking about my example, I was talking about the torture that you were talking about.

 

[thaiturkey]

I was not talking about my example, I was talking about the torture that you were talking about.

Den, you keep changing tack. It's difficult for a simple fellow like me to keep up.

You asked whether I would condone torture in an attempt to rescue my own children from a kidnapper. Part of my answer was that no government would do that for me, a private citizen.

You then took the words 'private citizen' and made a more general point.

As I have already said to you, the effectiveness of torture in extracting true or false information isn't in question. It's the morality of illegal acts that's in question. Once more, if the agency thought that it was morally right to waterboard a suspect, why didn't they do it at home and, perhaps, ask for an amendment to the law to make the torture legal? The answer is that there would have been an uproar and they would have been prevented. In authoritarian countries, torture would take place on home turf with no questions asked but don't we claim to believe that our countries are better than that?

 

[Gomes Bantams]

Just a warning, try not to get to political, I don't want this thread locked.

 

[hemet dennis]

Den, you keep changing tack. It's difficult for a simple fellow like me to keep up.

You asked whether I would condone torture in an attempt to rescue my own children from a kidnapper. Part of my answer was that no government would do that for me, a private citizen.

You then took the words 'private citizen' and made a more general point.

As I have already said to you, the effectiveness of torture in extracting true or false information isn't in question. It's the morality of illegal acts that's in question. Once more, if the agency thought that it was morally right to waterboard a suspect, why didn't they do it at home and, perhaps, ask for an amendment to the law to make the torture legal? The answer is that there would have been an uproar and they would have been prevented. In authoritarian countries, torture would take place on home turf with no questions asked but don't we claim to believe that our countries are better than that?

They didn't do it here because it's illegal here. It's also illegal to buy beer in some states on Sundays but if you buy it in another state is that immoral ?

 

[redhen]

I would want the person that commited a crime against my family tortured...( no really,.. i would. )
But i'm not a nice person.. so dont go by what i say...

 

[hemet dennis]

I would want the person that commited a crime against my family tortured...( no really,.. i would. )
But i'm not a nice person.. so dont go by what i say...

I would also want to do it.

 

[debilorrah]

Or irrational! "Just sayin'."

HAHAHAA!

 

[debilorrah]

Just a warning, try not to get to political, I don't want this thread locked.

Speak louder. People tend not to "hear" on the internet.