the eggs roll down the rollers to get to where they need to go. usually when they are freshly laid.
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There is simply no danger of overfeeding chickens in the heat. The whole point of offering chickens feed with a higher protein content than their usual fare in the heat is that they WILL eat LESS OVERALL in the heat, therefore they NEED a high-protein ration to make up for what is lost in reduce feed volume intake.
I am very interested to know the names of those with "a background in poultry nutrition" who informed you that scratch can be "a very good feedstuff in a poultry diet" and would love to read some of their publications supporting that proposition. Please do share.
As for scratch, without substantiating your position with facts or references, your assertion that I am incorrect is baseless. Even the largest commercial producer of chicken feed, Purina, acknowledges that scratch is supplement, intended to encourage natural pecking and feeding instincts, and help reduce the incidence of birds pecking and harming each other. So, the truth is, it should be thought of as a treat for behavior management more than anything else. They go on to state that scratch is not a complete feed and that if too much is consumed, it will dilute the feed intake of complete feeds reducing the bird’s nutritional intake and overall performance. Scratch should never comprise more than 10% of their total diet and should not be fed during high heat conditions as previously stated for all the reasons cited, regardless of whether it contains high quaility grains or not.
There is simply no danger of overfeeding chickens in the heat. The whole point of offering chickens feed with a higher protein content than their usual fare in the heat is that they WILL eat LESS OVERALL in the heat, therefore they NEED a high-protein ration to make up for what is lost in reduce feed volume intake.
I am very interested to know the names of those with "a background in poultry nutrition" who informed you that scratch can be "a very good feedstuff in a poultry diet" and would love to read some of their publications supporting that proposition. Please do share.
As for scratch, without substantiating your position with facts or references, your assertion that I am incorrect is baseless. Even the largest commercial producer of chicken feed, Purina, acknowledges that scratch is supplement, intended to encourage natural pecking and feeding instincts, and help reduce the incidence of birds pecking and harming each other. So, the truth is, it should be thought of as a treat for behavior management more than anything else. They go on to state that scratch is not a complete feed and that if too much is consumed, it will dilute the feed intake of complete feeds reducing the bird’s nutritional intake and overall performance. Scratch should never comprise more than 10% of their total diet and should not be fed during high heat conditions as previously stated for all the reasons cited, regardless of whether it contains high quaility grains or not.
First, Chris, nobody suggested 'over-feeding' chickens protein at any time of the year. I have no idea why you twisted the information provided to argue a point that was never even made but I suspect it was for the purpose of arguing something.Do you have a background in poultry nutrition?
If you would like you can PM Lazy J on here. He has phd in Poultry Nutrition and I have seen where posted more than one time that over feeding protein can/will over heat poultry.
As I said before Not All Scratch Is The Same. The grain mix I use is right around 15% protein but I have see grain mixes up to 20% protein and most of these mixes (scratch) make Purina scratch look like floor sweepings.
I have been Showing, Breeding and raising poultry for 20+ years I think I know a thing or two about the needs of my poultry.
Chris
Very interesting to know that interferes with pysanki eggs.the eggs roll down the rollers to get to where they need to go. usually when they are freshly laid.
First, Chris, nobody suggested 'over-feeding' chickens protein at any time of the year. I have no idea why you twisted the information provided to argue a point that was never even made but I suspect it was for the purpose of arguing something.
As for your rude, rhetorial question, my background education, training and experience is in the law, and as a lawyer, I know a thing or two about careful research and reliable authority for propositions and I assure you that the telephone game on an online forum is never going to be considered reliable authority for any concept. Research, studies and proof are required for reliability of information.
I have done my homework on this subject, however, I certainly don't expect you to take my word for it, but I'm confident you don't have what it takes to challenge Gail Damerow a renowned and respected expert in the field of chicken-keeping, whose writings you may have come across in your 20+ years of raising poultry. She writes in "The Chicken Encyclopdia" that "Too much scratch in the diet radically reduces total protein intake. Scratch should be fed only sparingly, IF AT ALL." emphasis added
Ms. Damerow also writes: "Chickens eat to meet their energy needs, so they eat less in summer than in the winter, when they need extra energy to stay warm. If the summer ration contains the same amount of protein as the winter ration, hens will get less total protein in summer and won't lay as well. In warm climates, in addition to regular 16 percent lay ration, some farm stores offer a ration containing 18 or 20 percent protein for use when high temperatures cause hens to eat too little to sustain laying."
You have yet to provide a single citation for your specious assertion that "if fed correctly scratch can be a very good feedstuff in a poultry diet."
You clearly are missing the point and it's no use trying to assist you in seeing the illogic in your position. And the word is "meet," their energy needs, not "meat." Meat is a type of protein. Be sure not to over-feed your chickens meat or scratch.I have not twisted any information.
In fact I have been using the term, "over feeding protein" since my first post.
One I was just asking If you had a Background in Poultry Nutrition, I can see now that you don't.
Now yes chickens will eat to meat there energy need (I'v said that about 30 times on this site) but a high protein diet will make your birds hot so now they eat less. If you feed your birds a feed that is around 18% they will not be as hot as they would be on a 20 to 22 percent protein so they in fact eat the more feed that they would if they were on a 20 or 22 percent feed. In shot they loose no nutrition.
Like I said you can PM Lazy J on here, he has a phd in poultry nutrition.
Chris