Farmers, guns, and the "old days"

[Capvin]

Good point. I know I don't like um. When I shoot I never fail to hit the intended target. Even in the Army it was the same. Never had a lesson on how to aim or pull a trigger. I've listened to many, many arguments on gun control. One restaurant in town even had some women at a table outside campaigning on gun control. One of the women, not of my race, said we have to band together stop our children from shooting each other. I told her she didn't have to concern herself with mine, hers would be the problem. A lot of this is culture, whether one cares to admit it or not. I told the same woman I live five miles off the interstate. I pass about 45 homes before I get to mine. According to averages there is probably 5 guns in each home. I told her I have driven that same state highway everyday for 21 years. I have yet to be shot at. Why? Can a progressive give me an logical answer? I too am a progressive, I guess. I want to change what's happen to this country for the last 50 years and replace it with what we had. "Change I can believe in" is not change I can believe in.

That is really very interesting that in Georgia they would have people campaigning that were not of the human race!! I would have loved to have seen that. Were they from Mars? Were they bluish in color and have big bulging eyes? How exciting to have aliens (sort of) right here in this country and in Georgia no less.

 

[JenellYB]

We can't change it back to what we had 50 yrs ago. First, we have a LOT more people, the population has exploded. More people, more potential for conflict, more difficulty any one person finding a suitable social niche in a community, less value for rights, well-being and lives of others. All pretty much exactly that same things observed in research studies using rats, the more rats you pack together, the more conlfict and violence increases.

Other huge changes...tv, brings exposure to things going on in the world we never dreamed of 50 yrs ago. Social mobility, people used to mostly grow up in the same community among the same neighbors and spend their whole lives within one close area....few live like that now, move and move and move and never even get to know neighbors names...its natural, you care more about people you know than strangers. I grew up in a suburb of a major city, but not only did many neighbors know each other and live in the same area many years, most of the men worked together or at least within the same fairly small industrial area.
Tv and video games that make killing nothing, next episode, or hit the rest button, the dead are back to life playing out roles. Death isn't 'real' and 'final' not only to a lot of kids, but a lot of adults, at least younger adults.

We can't go back. Our only option is to find the best ways to go forward,

 

[Ole rooster]

We can't change it back to what we had 50 yrs ago. First, we have a LOT more people, the population has exploded. More people, more potential for conflict, more difficulty any one person finding a suitable social niche in a community, less value for rights, well-being and lives of others. All pretty much exactly that same things observed in research studies using rats, the more rats you pack together, the more conlfict and violence increases.

Other huge changes...tv, brings exposure to things going on in the world we never dreamed of 50 yrs ago. Social mobility, people used to mostly grow up in the same community among the same neighbors and spend their whole lives within one close area....few live like that now, move and move and move and never even get to know neighbors names...its natural, you care more about people you know than strangers. I grew up in a suburb of a major city, but not only did many neighbors know each other and live in the same area many years, most of the men worked together or at least within the same fairly small industrial area.
Tv and video games that make killing nothing, next episode, or hit the rest button, the dead are back to life playing out roles. Death isn't 'real' and 'final' not only to a lot of kids, but a lot of adults, at least younger adults.

We can't go back. Our only option is to find the best ways to go forward,

I would be interested to know how that journey would be executed in your estimation. The best way out that is.

 

[Mike Winters]

Good point. I know I don't like um. When I shoot I never fail to hit the intended target. Even in the Army it was the same. Never had a lesson on how to aim or pull a trigger. I've listened to many, many arguments on gun control. One restaurant in town even had some women at a table outside campaigning on gun control. One of the women, not of my race, said we have to band together stop our children from shooting each other. I told her she didn't have to concern herself with mine, hers would be the problem. A lot of this is culture, whether one cares to admit it or not. I told the same woman I live five miles off the interstate. I pass about 45 homes before I get to mine. According to averages there is probably 5 guns in each home. I told her I have driven that same state highway everyday for 21 years. I have yet to be shot at. Why? Can a progressive give me an logical answer? I too am a progressive, I guess. I want to change what's happen to this country for the last 50 years and replace it with what we had. "Change I can believe in" is not change I can believe in.


Who gives a **** if their black or Hispanic at least they are admitting there is a problem with kids today and guns because none of them know how to handle them right. when fighting an uphill battle with the media and political correctness demonizing guns its foolish to dismiss a potential ally to fight all the anti gun idiots. doesn't mean you have to like them just means the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[NonnasBabies]

But yes we keep a loaded rifle by the back door and since the hubs and I are both deputies our pistols are always loaded and ready (not that we'd use them for a predator but hey you never know!) One good thing is we don't have many neighbors and they ones we do don't care. We're always out in the back target practicing!

 

[wilbilt]

I have my hand gun in a place where it is readily available for me to get.I am a responsible person and have been well taught in handling of fire arms.I hope that I don't have to ever have to shoot someone,but I will if I have to.I have been trained to protect me,family,friends,etc.I'm not felon,bad guy,etc.I don't abuse my rights;I respect them.I have taught my children the proper way to handle fire arms and to respect them.They handled them as babies,My responsibility to ensure safety and teach responsible handling.They handle them today better than well seasoned hunters.

I think that regardless of the type of firearm, regular practice in safe handling and shooting is key to responsible ownership. Someone who keeps their guns locked away and never practices with them or a hunter who maybe fires two rounds in a year is more likely to have an accident than a person who is a regular competent shooter.

An emergency situation is not the time to be trying to remember where the ammo is or whether the safety is on or off.

 

[JenellYB]

I wouln't even begin to say I know that, lol. But step one in addressing any problem is to recognize there IS a problem, step two, defininng as we can exactly what the problem actually is ad involves as to causes and effects.

Part of my perspective comes from having completed a recent B.S. degree with Psychology major, at a major university closely connected to mental health sciences within the Houston Medical center, and a degree track very profesionally and medically oriented. My hope had been to go from that into a 2-4 yr post-grad program and internship toward professional licencing and practice, unfortunately my health and resources went down at that point, so it wasn't meant to be. I have no regrets for the time and work i did put into that, I had wanted to go back to school all my life, I see that as a precious gift I was given even if it didn't happen until my alter years of life. The interactive relationship between individual mental health, even development of brain structure and cogntive functions, and function/dysfuction with the social and cultural evironment is well established and theres a lot of solid work going on the research in that direction.

I would be interested to know how that journey would be executed in your estimation. The best way out that is.

 

[kmac720]

How interesting, I also have a BS in Psychology, I love learning about human development and how our brains function/dysfunctions. Maybe because I have studied in this field makes me more apt to gun carry for my families protection and fuel my urge to keep my family out of societies downward spiral?

I wouln't even begin to say I know that, lol. But step one in addressing any problem is to recognize there IS a problem, step two, defininng as we can exactly what the problem actually is ad involves as to causes and effects.

Part of my perspective comes from having completed a recent B.S. degree with Psychology major, at a major university closely connected to mental health sciences within the Houston Medical center, and a degree track very profesionally and medically oriented. My hope had been to go from that into a 2-4 yr post-grad program and internship toward professional licencing and practice, unfortunately my health and resources went down at that point, so it wasn't meant to be. I have no regrets for the time and work i did put into that, I had wanted to go back to school all my life, I see that as a precious gift I was given even if it didn't happen until my alter years of life. The interactive relationship between individual mental health, even development of brain structure and cogntive functions, and function/dysfuction with the social and cultural evironment is well established and theres a lot of solid work going on the research in that direction.

 

[JenellYB]

Well, I don't know how it would make you more apt to carry a gun, lol, it didn't have that effect on me, but in how/where you choose to raise your children, what you allow them to be exposed to, definitely! Even though I chose to move to the country to raise my children long before I formally studied, that choice had a lot to do with the environment my children would be raised in, and I'm glad I made that choice. I'm strongly in support of strict monitoring of tv, movies, and Internet. And of making sure I know where they are at all times.
I don't think you can entirely keep them out of societies downward spiral as you call it...too sheltered, and they won't be prepared for what's really out there when they start fledging and leaving the nest. I has some serious problems earlu in my own life for that, having been raised very sheltered in a strict old fashioned religious family. I had no idea what wolves were out there wating to devour me, how to recognize them, aboive them escape or defend against them.
Jenell

How interesting, I also have a BS in Psychology, I love learning about human development and how our brains function/dysfunctions. Maybe because I have studied in this field makes me more apt to gun carry for my families protection and fuel my urge to keep my family out of societies downward spiral?

 

[Black Cochin Bantams]

I also hit what I shoot at like the OP. I don't ever kill a predator unless I am loosing stock. I had to kill a pair of Coyotes 6 years ago because they killed 9 lambs in a week. They were feeding pups. If I kill a predator that is not killing lambs or chickens I don't know if the next one that moves into that territory will have the same sense to leave domesticated animals alone. Any predator caught in the live traps that are always set around the poultry doesn't get a second chance.