Farmers, guns, and the "old days"

[Ole rooster]

Well, we've covered a few different definitions of "predators"... besides Minks, Weasels, Raccoons, Coyotes, the safety of our children, etc., we also fear lots 'o stuff out here in the boonies. It's a sad thing when we cannot take care of our own, yet the gov't. takes care of others with our dollars. BUT, can't and shouldn't get into that on a fun and interesting forum about much more pleasant issues... I'll be sick...

Alice.......the post started out about the old days and the carefree attitude toward guns and how they are stigmatized today. Don't get sick, just quit reading all this stuff. You know what's here.

 

[Shawnee_b]

Fair enough. I choose to be able to defend myself from those banditos and mountain lions, though. Where I live, response by law enforcement or animal control can be measured in hours or days rather than minutes. Being unprepared is irresponsible IMHO.

For what its worth, I share your opinion of Wal Mart.

CS is A OK. For a liberal he is exemplary to say the least, far far more than exemplary and not the norm. He chooses not to be armed and that is his right, I completely respect it and understand. A very rare liberal indeed (and his hats cool). Most liberals aka puritans, aka socialists want you to follow their agenda, a puritanical one where they know what is right for you and you don't. Honest, I have never in my 57 years met someone such as CS who believes in the Constitution as written, the bill of rights, amendments and ADMITING everyones rights as provided.

 

[wilbilt]

CS is A OK. For a liberal he is exemplary to say the least, far far more than exemplary and not the norm. He chooses not to be armed and that is his right, I completely respect it and understand. A very rare liberal indeed (and his hats cool). Most liberals aka puritans, aka socialists want you to follow their agenda, a puritanical one where they know what is right for you and you don't. Honest, I have never in my 57 years met someone such as CS who believes in the Constitution as written, the bill of rights, amendments and ADMITING everyones rights as provided.

Duly noted. I guess I have heard the "guns are evil" speech often enough that it tends to provoke a "knee jerk reaction".

Living in the nanniest of nanny states, which tries to legislate every aspect of our existence doesn't help, either. We need fewer useless laws and less government overall. Lots of time and energy is wasted on creating and enforcing laws that have no true reason to exist and fail to provide any benefit.

 

[JenellYB]

Excuse me? He is not expressing anything 'unusual' or 'rare' as a liberal. From my perspective, he's quite the 'norm'. Here's that false derogatory straw-man sterotyping again. i am really really trying very very hard not to similarly sterotype YOU, wilbilt and shawnee_b, and I'm honest, its very very difficult not to! You are going abundant ammo and evidence of your conformity to such....
re "most liberals aka puritans..." WOW! Are you off the cliff on this one! Cutural/religious studies/Christian histort was my college minor, and I'm very well plugged in on this one...the Puritans were EXTREME CONSERVATIVES, and were in fact the fore-bears of American Evangilicalism and fundamentalism...AKA today's CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS RIGHT! As for "...a puritanical one where they know what is right for you and you don't...." yes, puritanical and todays CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS RIGHT!
I Am liberal, hang with other liberals, and have YET to hear a single "guns are evil" speech from any of them! Though I have and can every day hear from my conservative right family and friends speeches on "drinking alcohol is evil, "sex is evil," "being poor is evil.," being muslim is evil," "being hispanic is evil," as nauseum.

CS is A OK. For a liberal he is exemplary to say the least, far far more than exemplary and not the norm. He chooses not to be armed and that is his right, I completely respect it and understand. A very rare liberal indeed (and his hats cool). Most liberals aka puritans, aka socialists want you to follow their agenda, a puritanical one where they know what is right for you and you don't. Honest, I have never in my 57 years met someone such as CS who believes in the Constitution as written, the bill of rights, amendments and ADMITING everyones rights as provided.

 

[JenellYB]

Actually, Old Rooster, my orginal intent and observation was that gun ownership and handling used to be a more "comfortable" thing, BUT, at the same time, taken less casually, MORE practically and responsibly, than now. Guns were a tool for a job, not an extention of someone's macho identity, status symbol, a political statment or a symbol of someone's self image of the size of their copulatory organ.


I believe it has actually been gun ownership having become taken MORE casually, less seriously, and the resulting careless and irresponsibility of so many with guns that has led to the reaction of aversion to them, as well as I think common sense need to regulate gun ownership and use. I've mentioned my dad, a WWII vet, and other old timers, gun owners, hunters, those that saw guns as such a tool, and I honestly believe men like those would be the first today to walk over to these that rave about violation and endangerment of their 2nd ammendment rights, slap them silly, take that gun away, and tell them they can have it back when they can grow up and act like they are ready to start acting like a man instead of a punk. And that not just conjecture...i actually say my Dad actually do just that to a guy swaggering around thinking he was tough for 'packin' and making sure anybody thast might cross him or differ with his opinion or get in his way knew it! as I said elswhere about the difference between a conservative redneck and a liberal redneck...my Dad was old time conservative, but he'd be like i mean liberal redneck, you won't even know they have a gun until its already been pulled out done its job.

Alice.......the post started out about the old days and the carefree attitude toward guns and how they are stigmatized today. Don't get sick, just quit reading all this stuff. You know what's here.

 

[Bullitt]

Most liberals aka puritans, aka socialists want you to follow their agenda, a puritanical one where they know what is right for you and you don't.

You need to educate yourself.

 

[JenellYB]

I'm really glad, in response to this post, that there are still people integrating guns into practical farmstead and sotck keeping lifestyles in practical and sensible ways. I was beginning to think all were left were the two dysfunctional extremes, people for whome guns are a macho and political statment, and those afraid of them. My faith in Americans is restored!

 

[wilbilt]

i am really really trying very very hard not to similarly sterotype YOU, wilbilt and shawnee_b, and I'm honest, its very very difficult not to! You are going abundant ammo and evidence of your conformity to such....

I Am liberal, hang with other liberals, and have YET to hear a single "guns are evil" speech from any of them! Though I have and can every day hear from my conservative right family and friends speeches on "drinking alcohol is evil, "sex is evil," "being poor is evil.," being muslim is evil," "being hispanic is evil," as nauseum.

Obsess much? Or do you just naturally type everything twice? Why do you suppose that is?

My views lean right. I have heard plenty of "guns are evil" tirades. As if the gun is at fault. Doesn't the person behind the trigger bear the responsibility, rather than the gun?

 

[CSWolffe]

According to a recent PEW research poll, only 37% of Americans will admit to being a liberal. However, when asked about specif questions, from gun control to welfare, 73% of Americans ARE liberal. What has happened is a few loudmouthed entertainers have turned liberal into a bad word. It's not. Jesus was a liberal. Liberals want to protect the rights of everyone, even people they disagree with. Sometimes that protection comes in direct conflict with some old ideologies.
In the end, most of us agree on what is right and wrong, it's only when politics come into play that things get nasty.

 

[Bullitt]

According to a recent PEW research poll, only 37% of Americans will admit to being a liberal. However, when asked about specif questions, from gun control to welfare, 73% of Americans ARE liberal. What has happened is a few loudmouthed entertainers have turned liberal into a bad word. It's not. Jesus was a liberal. Liberals want to protect the rights of everyone, even people they disagree with. Sometimes that protection comes in direct conflict with some old ideologies.
In the end, most of us agree on what is right and wrong, it's only when politics come into play that things get nasty.

Thank you, sir.

And this from someone in Utah.