Faverolles Thread

[hcammack]

Heres is a pic of some of my hens some are lighter than others, Is there color salmon or something else i would to experament on other colors but i love my salmon rooster

They are salmon but have to much black ticking in their beards. They seem decent otherwise though. I am sure if you work on breeding the black ticking out of the muffs and as always work on type you will have a great salmon flock! As they say you gotta build the barn before you paint it haha. That saying has been drilled into my head so I always use it. Type before color.

 

[Fancy Favie]

So i need to try and get away from the ones with the black in there muffs? and decide which one of my roosters is closest to standard and hopefully the chicks will have the lighter muffs

 

[hcammack]

So i need to try and get away from the ones with the black in there muffs? and decide which one of my roosters is closest to standard and hopefully the chicks will have the lighter muffs

Yeah the muffs and beards on hens are supposed to be white. I think that might work well for you. Do the roosters have pure black muffs and beards or do they have white speckling? Also where did you get your start up stock?

 

[sandiklaws]

Heres is a pic of some of my hens some are lighter than others, Is there color salmon or something else i would to experament on other colors but i love my salmon rooster

look Salmon to me

 

[Fancy Favie]

I got my start up stock from Cackle hatchery and my 5 month old roo looks better than his dad but both have the black beard but my older rooster has some white in it the younger one doesn't

 

[sandiklaws]

look Salmon to me

...and they could be used to produce show cockerels if bred carefully for type and selecting for strong COCKEREL traits... this is a double mated breed in a lot of countries because it is nearly impossible to produce both stunning, blond pullets and bold rich-colored cockerels from the same pen. Girls w/ smutty beards often are grest for making cockerels with better pigment.

 

[sandiklaws]

Yeah the muffs and beards on hens are supposed to be white. I think that might work well for you. Do the roosters have pure black muffs and beards or do they have white speckling? Also where did you get your start up stock?

Get a good rooster from decent show stock, with excellent color in the weak areas, to cross them to. Cull hard for very specific color issues, and you will most likely see a great deal of improvement in a very short time, especially if you do not carry over the original hatchery stock to the next season. Breed some pullets (plan on making 10 for every one you need), using a superior roo (they contribute a lot and it is often easier to see quality issues w/ the boys). Keep the very best of just the new girls, and sell or give away any birds that do not make the cut. Then breed back the daughters on that same top notch roo, again following the rule of 10 and you will have a pretty decent flock to work with if your roo is of excellent quality... but you cannot get quality within a reasonable amount of time unless you bring it in from somewhere else. Even bringing in a top notch roo to cover the best of your girls, you are looking at 3 to 4 years before you can say you have begun to iron out the kinks in your flock. This will save you a ton of headaches, and allow you to use the birds you have now in a meaningful way... but remember you cannot begin to select for color or size until they are around 10 months old.

 

[thechickonthehill]

I'm not breeding them, but I agree with this.

Also, on the males is the white on the wingtips replaced with red?

Yes, I definitely agree with you on the males. I've actually hatched a couple like this but their type wasn't good enough to suit me. Hopefully I'll have more to pick from in the spring hatches.

 

[thechickonthehill]

I am not sure of the proper coloring in Mahoganies. Do you have blue somewhere in their background because that last picture of the pullet seems to have some blue tail feathers. Just wondering. Dick would be more of an expert on the mahogany coloring as he bred bantams years ago.

Henry, that last pullet is actually 3/4 Fav and 1/4 EE - that's where the blue is coming from. Not sure if I'm going to use her. I like her darker red coloring but it will depend on how her chicks turn out. I don't really like her darker beard.

I would say there isn't a standard for mahogany faverolles and no real mahogany colored hens in other breeds especially with beards. I guess we can kind of make up a standard as we go haha. I wonder if the beard should be mahogany colored or black or white? I prefer the look of a more solid colored beard. Not white I think it should be black or solid red.

Thank is just my personal preference since the pullets seem to have red/ mahogany breasts. Just like the salmons I think the beards should be the same color as the breast as in the salmons.

What do you guys that are breeding mahoganies think?

I like the red beards myself. Just trying to figure out how to encourage that - keep using the girls with the most red in their beards I suppose. Do you know if the UK has a standard for the Mahoganies?

 

[hcammack]

Get a good rooster from decent show stock, with excellent color in the weak areas, to cross them to. Cull hard for very specific color issues, and you will most likely see a great deal of improvement in a very short time, especially if you do not carry over the original hatchery stock to the next season. Breed some pullets (plan on making 10 for every one you need), using a superior roo (they contribute a lot and it is often easier to see quality issues w/ the boys). Keep the very best of just the new girls, and sell or give away any birds that do not make the cut. Then breed back the daughters on that same top notch roo, again following the rule of 10 and you will have a pretty decent flock to work with if your roo is of excellent quality... but you cannot get quality within a reasonable amount of time unless you bring it in from somewhere else. Even bringing in a top notch roo to cover the best of your girls, you are looking at 3 to 4 years before you can say you have begun to iron out the kinks in your flock. This will save you a ton of headaches, and allow you to use the birds you have now in a meaningful way... but remember you cannot begin to select for color or size until they are around 10 months old.

I agree with sandiklaws on this one. Its hard to make really nice birds out of hatchery stock.