Faverolles Thread

[foxy]

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Just a 2cent thought here OR, a DUMBXXX question here, but doesent "form follows function, and beauty follows that"? apply when breeding anything??? Please DO correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree if your applying that to the type before color question. I am not sure what you guys think about this but one of my long term goals/ projects is to have a line of Faverolles that are bred towards standard but where I can either use males or Capons as meat birds and where the hens have a decent lay rate.

The only people I know who eat their Faverolles culls is Melissa and her family. She said that the males make really good meat birds.

If thats not the function you were talking about sorry but I think they were a duel purpose birds back in France correct?

Peter and I have talked about caponizing a bit I know its a controvercial topic maybe I can try some out from my 4-H project hatch. I will have the help of 20+ pre vet students

I agree though but I think right now some of our birds are bred for the function of being bred to APA standard and for the function of us enjoying them not saying that is wrong.

Give me your views on this maybe I am wrong or I am just seeing this from the wrong view or something.

Henry

Interesting, from a European perspective, type and size are key elements when judging faverolles - a cockerel should come in at between 7.5lbs - 10lbs,thus reflecting the true heritage the faverolles, which were more of a"meat bird" in France.
Perfect colour in salmons is notoriously difficult to achieve,as the desired feather in an exhibition bird usually means useles in the breeding pen, so this means use "double mating" Running both cock and pullet breeding runs.
We don't have mahogany faverolles here, I would be interested in what the underfluff looks like?

 

[comerspoultry]

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I agree if your applying that to the type before color question. I am not sure what you guys think about this but one of my long term goals/ projects is to have a line of Faverolles that are bred towards standard but where I can either use males or Capons as meat birds and where the hens have a decent lay rate.

The only people I know who eat their Faverolles culls is Melissa and her family. She said that the males make really good meat birds.

If thats not the function you were talking about sorry but I think they were a duel purpose birds back in France correct?

Peter and I have talked about caponizing a bit I know its a controvercial topic maybe I can try some out from my 4-H project hatch. I will have the help of 20+ pre vet students

I agree though but I think right now some of our birds are bred for the function of being bred to APA standard and for the function of us enjoying them not saying that is wrong.

Give me your views on this maybe I am wrong or I am just seeing this from the wrong view or something.

Henry

Interesting, from a European perspective, type and size are key elements when judging faverolles - a cockerel should come in at between 7.5lbs - 10lbs,thus reflecting the true heritage the faverolles, which were more of a"meat bird" in France.
Perfect colour in salmons is notoriously difficult to achieve,as the desired feather in an exhibition bird usually means useles in the breeding pen, so this means use "double mating" Running both cock and pullet breeding runs.
We don't have mahogany faverolles here, I would be interested in what the underfluff looks like?

It is not that the judges don't know Favs, it is they don't see that many. Most of them know now that when they see me in the show barn that I have them. YEAH!!!

 

[foxy]

I have also just realised your standard is probably a bit different to ours!

Good point CP, most judges in the UK are familiar with faverolles which does help somewhat!

 

[Lifesong Farm]

Oh wow Foxy... that hen in your avatar is nice!!

I agree with Henery. As I learn I would like to breed for the dual purpose bird that the Faverolles were originally. That is one of the reasons I wanted this breed. The other reasons range from I love the looks and I like to have something that not very many people have to they are easy to sex at a young age.

I also plan to eat my culls. Depending on what comes out of my hatch this month I will have some to process this year.

I was wondering how many poultry shows are in Indiana?

 

[Lifesong Farm]

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Hey Johnathan thank you soooo much for bringing the birds up last month. They have finally settled in and have started laying again. After I get the breeding pens built in Feb I will start hatching some. Right now I am learning how to use my new incubator so all the chicks will I won't know which roo they belong to or will be mutts. Those guys I will eat or give to some friends.
Barb

 

[hcammack]

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I agree if your applying that to the type before color question. I am not sure what you guys think about this but one of my long term goals/ projects is to have a line of Faverolles that are bred towards standard but where I can either use males or Capons as meat birds and where the hens have a decent lay rate.

The only people I know who eat their Faverolles culls is Melissa and her family. She said that the males make really good meat birds.

If thats not the function you were talking about sorry but I think they were a duel purpose birds back in France correct?

Peter and I have talked about caponizing a bit I know its a controvercial topic maybe I can try some out from my 4-H project hatch. I will have the help of 20+ pre vet students

I agree though but I think right now some of our birds are bred for the function of being bred to APA standard and for the function of us enjoying them not saying that is wrong.

Give me your views on this maybe I am wrong or I am just seeing this from the wrong view or something.

Henry

Interesting, from a European perspective, type and size are key elements when judging faverolles - a cockerel should come in at between 7.5lbs - 10lbs,thus reflecting the true heritage the faverolles, which were more of a"meat bird" in France.
Perfect colour in salmons is notoriously difficult to achieve,as the desired feather in an exhibition bird usually means useles in the breeding pen, so this means use "double mating" Running both cock and pullet breeding runs.
We don't have mahogany faverolles here, I would be interested in what the underfluff looks like?

I think we are all coming to the realization that double mating is probably necessary to produce near ideal salmon color.

Our standard also reflect the heritage nature of the Faverolles as least I think it does. I was just addressing the fact that I didn't think many people still ate their faverolles culls. But I stand corrected as two members just posted they do. I am glad to hear they taste good I still have yet to have the pleasure of eating one (my mom isn't to keen on butchering in the backyard).

I also think the body shape of Faverolles lends it self to them caring meat and acting as a meat bird.

Henry

 

[hcammack]

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The big Crossroads show is on October 28th in Indianpolis. Its the Faverolles national. I think there are also a lot of shows in Indiana and Ohio Leisha knows more about them then I would though.

Henry

 

[hcammack]

Well guys I am headed back to college. Visiting some friends at Yale tonight and tomorrow and then back over to Vermont. There is such a pile of stuff in my car ha ha. I am just happy that my pile of stuff includes two incubators

 

[faverolles]

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Peter/Dick - is the dark color over the males saddles what you like to see? I know my male is a little lacking in this, which Leisha pointed out in Ohio. And the females are supposed to have less pattern on their breasts, correct?

Yes. I feel that the cherry red mahogany over the saddle of our males will give you pullets with a more even salmon color. I'm not saying all your pullets but most of them.
Dick

 

[faverolles]

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I am saving already as well

I've already got my room reserved! The one thing I like about the BYC boards is they send am email when someone has posted a message on the thread - I don't usually find this on some other forums. Does the FFoA site have this feature Henry?

I have my reservations also.
Dick