I use a PVC gravity feeder fixed to the wall inside there coop and a 3Gallon bucket with chicken nipples outside for water. I let them out of there coop in the morning and they usually go straight to the waterer. They don't seem to mind having to be let out to get water cause that's all they have known. I plan on moving the water to the inside of there coop during winter months. There coop is only 4x8don't don't have rodent problems. The gravity feeder is awesome and a space saver.