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FERMENTED FEEDS...anyone using them?

@tigger19687

I have 6 chickens. I ferment by weight using organic crumble. Bar Ale is the brand and I use 5.5 oz feed and add enough water to bring the weight up to 1 pound, stir and cover LOOSELY with a lid. I am trying it without a lid today, but can't quite wrap my mind around why I can ferment without a lid but need an airlock to ferment human food. :confused:

Just my thoughts here on the subject, this would make a fascinating discussion if anyone is interested......

I suspect the difference is that there are so many different methods for fermenting human food, and that human food is often fermented much longer and in a more controlled way than we are using here to ferment our chicken feed. The process for fermenting cheese is very different than the process for fermenting sourdough bread or beer or soy sauce. In a lot of cases, the original purpose of fermenting human food was preservation, and now food is being fermented specifically to develop particular flavor profiles for culinary purposes, so it's more about the way the food tastes than anything else. Although, there are a lot of situations (e.g., kombucha), where people realized that there were health benefits in fermenting food and beverages, but didn't really understand WHY they improved health until we started to know more about the science of probiotics and the necessity of probiotics for good health.

The fermentation process most of us are using with chicken feed is more similar to the way sourdough bread or chocolate is fermented, relying on airborne yeasts, bacteria, water, and a relatively quick fermentation time. Sourdough bread is very similar; a starter can be begun in just a few days. Chocolate also ferments quickly, in about seven days. Alternately, the methods for fermenting cheese and soy sauce are completely different and can take years or even decades.

The other difference is that as far as I can tell, most people are fermenting chicken feed for different reasons, increased nutrition and lower feed costs being two of the main ones although there are many others. In my case, the improvement in the poop, and therefore the reduction in flies and easier clean-up is reason enough to ferment my feed. :celebrate And when I look out into the yard and see my healthy, happy chickens, full of energy and covered in beautiful glossy feathers, it makes me happy and the little bit of time and increased effort it takes it totally worth it.
 
Either or, it doesn't really matter if you use the liquid or the feed to backslop.
That's what I used to do until I finally got the water/feed ratio right, as commercial feed cannot be strained any more that wet cement can. So I would gently pour what extra water I could from the top of the settled mix and recycle it into the next batch along with the backslop. Point Of Interest; In the making of yogurt, cheese and so on this liquid is known as 'whey' (remember Little Miss Muffit?).

Unfortunately, there is no magic number for how much water to add so you end up with the proper consistency as different types of feed will absorb more or less water, and of course if you're fermenting solid grains any extra water can be strained from the ferment. Once you get the ratio right so that your FF automatically ends up with the right consistency you won't have to do this, obviously.
 
I'll admit I prescribe to the mentality of "that looks 'bout right." I have a bucket that I fill with water and then I scoop a bunch of dry grain into my fermenting bucket. I add water until it covers the grain and then stir. The water level goes down, so I add more water. I do that until the level doesn't immediately go back down and stirring the stuff has turned into a bicep workout. Then I walk away for a couple of hours. I'm not good at patience... so this is the hardest part. (Just to put it in perspective I get home every night a little before six and my butt has to be in bed by eight for a 3:30 wake up call to go to work most days. Walking away for a couple of hours means waiting until I'm ready to go to bed.) But I go back out, check the water levels again, add more if necessary and then feed. I prefer to make a new batch, back-slopped with all the stuff on the bottom stirred up into it, after they're fed so it gets to sit overnight and cook.

I'm trying to teach my husband how to make up new batches since he feeds in the morning now, and I feed in the evening, and I hate walking out to find about two inches of feed in the bottom of the bucket knowing the girls will be getting wet grain, not fermented, tonight. He's catching on, and they don't really seem to care. I will say that I think the grain absorbs more water than the crumbles... Just a gut feeling. I have no measurement to go off. But the grain never has that oatmeal consistency after sitting overnight the way the crumbles or pellets did, not matter how much water I add or how long I let it sit (up to three days, I was curious).

Not getting into fermenting human food any time soon... Don't know that I'm fastidious enough for that and a lack of attention to detail there can kill you.
 
Great info ! Thanks all.
Mine hens don't like the 1/2 peas in the feed :( at least when it is soaked, they left all of them in the bowl form the other day. But ate most of everything else.
I set up 4 quart jars today so I will finish what was in the bucket tomorrow and clean it out (you can never have too make 5 gallon buckets).
 
Great info ! Thanks all.
Mine hens don't like the 1/2 peas in the feed :( at least when it is soaked, they left all of them in the bowl form the other day. But ate most of everything else.
I set up 4 quart jars today so I will finish what was in the bucket tomorrow and clean it out (you can never have too make 5 gallon buckets).

Peas or split peas are a legume. Most raw legumes are toxic to poultry. Don't feed them to your chickens.
 
"Field peas can be included as up to 40% of the content of layer diets".

http://articles.extension.org/pages/67359/feeding-field-peas-to-poultry

I've been trying to find an affordable source for field peas. Seems like they would be awesome for sprouting!

Good info in the link. But I always recommend using more than one source of info because I have seen a lot of misinformation from extension articles including one that says there are only 7 types of cocci, when I know there are 9. And one I use for feeding has a misprint in the % requirements making it *seem* like 10% less is OK. But it's an error that wasn't caught by the editor or whoever. It would be VERY detrimental to feed you chooks only 5% protein when it is supposed to say 15% minimum.
 

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