thank you for your help bee. i will cut back on the veggies and put ff on ground. no dry crumble. also, about ferment smell... i did use mother acv to start it. and for the first 3 days had a rather pleasant smell. then i got busy, was only adding scratch which i think was ok having read some of the stuff other people put in. it now has a sour mash smell, like really sour stinky feet ( i have a son too, lol) i just wish it smelled more like sourdough i guess. i do love that smell. i'm just afraid to danger my flock by feeding them something i'm not sure of. i'm also afraid if i start all over and get the same results then i've wasted feed and time to fix something that wasnt broken.6 in one, half dozen.... werent we supposed to have smellovision by now? that would help, lol