Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

Hi thunderbolt&marjorie! I am somewhat new to FF too, but what has worked well for me so far is to just soak enough feed so that I have some left in the bucket after feeding and then mix the new feed into the old (with more water of course). I have found that if I get the water content just right, it will be poofed up and a nice moist mash consistency, with no need for draining. I add ACV to the first batch, and then will add a bit more occasionally to keep it fermenting well. My feed btw, is a homemade mix with ground and cracked grains, & powdered supplements including fishmeal & Poultry Nutribalancer. For new chicks we just grind the grains a little smaller. For our laying hens, I have two buckets, one for their morning feeding, and one for the evening feeding, so each bucket can have about 24 hrs to soak in between feedings. We have a lot of extra old goat milk and kefir right now, so I will occasionally mix some into the fermented feed before I give it to them - they seem to like it when it is even more sloppy and wet!
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Hope this helps! Congrats on your new babies!
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This is what I do also....just keep a running mix going. Especially with using the finer grained stuff that turns into peanut butter...all that thick mash is filled with the yeast spores that is in the original fermented water. After using the same water~just adding to it~for over 10 wks, there was no spoilage in the bottom bucket. When I emptied it all at the end, there was a fine, silty flour goo at the very bottom of the bottom bucket that looked like pancake batter and smelled great~like sourdough bread mix~when I picked it up in my hand and sniffed it.

I use ACV in my water buckets, so when I need to freshen water and refill feed and water in the FF bucket, I'd just use the old water in my water bucket into the FF bucket first. This makes it so that I don't waste any water~particularly my ACV water~and the mix got a fresh shot of ACV each time. Then, if needed, I'd top off the FF bucket with fresh water.

It's a great system~ if you mix more than you need for one feeding, which I seem to see people with just a few chickens doing. Fermented is fermented and it can only get more fermented if it stays around, which is good...doesn't mean it's going "bad". I encourage those who are just mixing enough for one day to go with bigger containers and just add to your old mix...this makes it less labor intensive and worrisome.

If you are constantly adding new food to the old mix, your FF shouldn't go bad in any way. The spores have new sugars on which to feed, which keeps them active and growing, each time you add new grains/feed to the bucket. This is important in FF grains...sourdough bread mix will go bad if you don't occasionally add a cup of flour and stir it in. When the cultures have nothing on which to feed, they die and the bad bacteria can then take over the mix...this results in that rotten smell that some are reporting.
 
Congratulations on the new chicks!
At the moment I am only doing FF with 15 chicks so I am working with a 1 gallon pitcher in the kitchen. So far this amount is more than enough and I have not let the pitcher get completely empty before I add more feed/water to it. Each evening I pour in another coffee can full of crumbles & occasionally 1/2 can of grain mix. Then I add enough water to get everything wet (probably about a quart (4 cups); stir it up and then add about one more cup of water and then I cover it with a dinner plate and keep it covered when not in use. I don't do any extra stirring during the day except the mixing that naturally occurs when spooning it out & mixing the batch for the next day. My mix is more of oatmeal consistency as opposed to a slurry. I started my FF with whey from making kefir and it has worked very well. The birds love it and they seem to be growing nicely.

Question:
It seems to me, adding water/braggs/yeast to the chick starter, that the feed soaks up all the water. Adding more water to keep it 'submerged' and stirring it a few times a day just seems to turn it into a slurry.

I added a little more crumbles to it last night, and now this morning it was more the consistancy of oatmeal, as a previous poster mentioned theirs was.

I needed no slotted spoon or draining as there was no water.

Is this right? I have no water remaining to innoculate a new batch of FF. I could understand draining off whole/cracked grains, but the starter seems to soak it all up.

Can I just add more water/feed to leftovers? (I started more than I needed for the 5 chicks, yet on Friday or Saturday my 25 meaties arrive)

Those With Wisdom: please advise!
 
Checked on the chicks and the FF when I got home. The ff was fluffy, definitely fermented and has seperated a bit from excess water. So I get it. :D
Can't tell how much they actually ate. Mostly looked walked on. Gave them some fresh and also put some in the red chick trough.
Thanks again everyone for holding my hand with this as I get started.
 
If you can't see if the amount is lessening in the feed pan, give less feed until you can see a clean plate when you come back. Then you know where the baseline is and can work your way up. The goal is to have them clean the plate but not so clean that it is obvious that they were left wanting more.

I'm happiest when there is just a skiff of residue on the bottom of the feeder...just a thin layer that you can see the bottom through in an even manner all across the bottom of the feeder...this tells me they tried to clean the plate but the residue left wasn't worth the work it took to pick up every little piece of grain....this, to me, means I got full and I'm not hungry enough still to lick that clean.
 
I would like to start fermented feeding with my layers. They eat the pellets fine but my problem is leaving free feeding out all the time for them is a waste because the squirrels and rats get in it and I end up feeding everyone but my chickens. I would like to do fermenting with grains rather than pellets. What would you recommend for a rationing that would work for layers and roosters because both would be eating it? Would the same ration work for newborn chicks as well or would I need to feed them something different?
 
Why not just feed a 50/50 mix of all flock feed and whole grains and offer OS free choice on the side for the layers? When your chicks get a few months on them, you can return to layer ration and whole grain mix....I've never had a roo affected by the calcium in the layer ration. That's just someone's idea that it MAY be too much for a rooster because he does not produce eggs but that isn't the way it works.

Calcium that is not utilized by the body is flushed out in the urine and muscles use calcium quite a bit...who does the most running and activity in the flock? A rooster...he is constantly on the move, chasing and breeding, monitoring his hens, etc. He is utilizing his calcium just fine and what he doesn't utilize is flushed from his body. No worries.
 
When I first started with FF I had no trouble mixing the feed and keeping it covered with water and then straining. However, when I went to the feed store this time and got 3 more bags of feed (same kind and brand as before) all of a sudden the feed disintegrates into the slurry that others have mentioned. I have therefore switched to just adding enough water to cover the feed, allowing it to puff up when fermenting, and scooping out all but the very bottom. I then use this as starter for the next batch. It seems to be working fine so far. I believe that this lot of feed just has a slightly different make-up of grain combination. The birds do not seem to notice any difference.

Also, of note - THEY NO LONGER STINK!!!!!! Mine are in a field in a tractor that gets moved every day. They were 5 weeks old when I started them on FF and let's face it - they stunk! They have been on FF about 2 weeks now. I noticed a change after about a week, but my husband and neighbor have now both noticed that the chickens no longer have an odor. If for no other reason FF is well worth the little bit of extra effort.
 

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