Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

Does your FF have a skim of darker or lighter film on it when you stir it in the morning? If so, you have a scoby growing and it's okay to feed. No film, give it time...could be you are using city water and it may take a bit longer to establish some LABs.

Yes, I place chicks with adults. It all has to do with space...my birds free range at all times, so their only true contact with the chicks are at feeding time and they usually don't see chicks that small as any kind of competition. When they get a little older and are crowding into the bird's eating space they might get a light peck now and again to get them out of their face..but they can completely take over the feeder if they outnumber the older birds...as in these pics:





At that point they actually NEED a peck on the head to get them out of one's mouth while eating!
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If I had the birds in a coop and run situation, it would probably be a different story as I would have bored and cranky older birds confined to a space with a bunch of youngsters..and even in the human world that is a recipe for disaster. The chicks are not going to know or recognize social cues or pecking orders while really young and they would get underfoot all day long.

With the big open world to explore and the older birds rarely being in the coop, the chicks have a safe haven from which to learn the outside world...they will first forage around the coop and as they get older they venture out more and more to other areas of safety from aerial predators. In this way they are slowly introduced to the alarm calls of the rooster, they can mimic the actions of the older birds when they forage and they also have their own social structure that is separate from the flock. My 6 mo. old birds still have their own separate flock from the older flock and they have been integrated with them since their 2nd week. Those two flocks will truly blend when the pullets become sexually active and the rooster takes interest in them...until then they are still a flock apart.

Chicks as old as yours are fully big enough to integrate~even in a coop and run situation~ and to keep each other warm, though you might have to harden them off if you have been heating them up with a heat lamp each night. You can place a lamp in one corner of the coop~doubly secured so that no matter what happens it cannot be knocked down~and they will warm themselves as they see fit. Turn it off in the day and only keep it out there for a week, then no more. By then they should have hardened off to the cold and be able to keep one another warm. Nice dry bedding and the lamp~not close to the bedding floor~should help them adjust to the coop temps.



Space and breed temperaments count for so very much. I cull for temperament in my flocks, so no bully hens live long enough to come in contact with chicks. Space away from the birds and their only contact being at feeding time gives the youngsters an education on the pecking order at the feeder but not getting chased relentlessly by older, cranky hens.

For everyone reluctant to cull a chicken due to being "tender-hearted", remember what that really looks like when a chick is hurt because a nasty hen was not eliminated due to her bully behavior. Culling is the single most necessary tool in a person's arsenal to develop a thriving, healthy, peaceful flock. Otherwise it's just one sad tale after another while the tender-hearted cry and can't figure out WHY.

And that's the main difference between having chickens and keeping chickens...one is merely some birds in a pen/coop that someone feeds and collects some eggs for awhile~while having one issue after another with bullying, illness and laying issues~ and the other is a well managed flock that lives in harmony, thrives and produces without excess drama and lives to a ripe old age laying eggs and having a happy life.
I haven't noticed any scoby on it yet. We have well water. I will wait until I see a film before feeding.

I don't seem to have any bullies, except maybe one. I know when I added some to the coop this summer there would be a commotion now and again and she seemed to be the instigator. But I haven't heard anything from her for a while. Mine free range also, so they have plenty of room. I may try that this weekend. I've only been putting the light on them when it gets in the 40's-low 50's. This time of year, it isn't cold in the coop. We can close the windows at night too. What about feed? I'm getting ready to feed the adults their ff and these chicks have been on chickstarter ff for a couple of weeks. Do I feed separately? Thanks Beekissed!
 
I haven't noticed any scoby on it yet. We have well water. I will wait until I see a film before feeding.

I don't seem to have any bullies, except maybe one. I know when I added some to the coop this summer there would be a commotion now and again and she seemed to be the instigator. But I haven't heard anything from her for a while. Mine free range also, so they have plenty of room. I may try that this weekend. I've only been putting the light on them when it gets in the 40's-low 50's. This time of year, it isn't cold in the coop. We can close the windows at night too. What about feed? I'm getting ready to feed the adults their ff and these chicks have been on chickstarter ff for a couple of weeks. Do I feed separately? Thanks Beekissed!

I feed mine the same at all times..so if I use chick starter in the FF, the whole flock gets chick starter and whole grains to cut the richness of it. When the chick starter is gone, it's back to layer mash and whole grains. Everybody eats the same thing and it simplifies things a good bit. I don't feed separately, I just put out enough that the younger birds can clean up what the older birds leave behind and feed in a long trough style feeder so they can space out along the trough.

The only way you could feed separately in that situation is to build a creep feeder as shown on the previous page but I don't mess with such things...I would if my birds were confined to a coop and run situation though. As it is, the chicks have ample time and opportunity to eat when the big birds have finished and this gives them their first lesson in the pecking order...wait your turn.
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So you put your 2 week old chicks in with the adults? Very interesting! I have always kept them separate until they were 8-12 wks old. It would be good if I could integrate them earlier. They don't get picked on and bullied? I have only one hen that is bossy, but she calmed down after about a week when we add a couple of new adults to her coop. Do they have a special place and do you keep a heat lamp on them at night. I have 8-10 week old chicks out in a tractor, getting ready to put them in a hoop coop this weekend. Are they big enough to put in with the adults with no heat? It is getting cooler at night here so when it drops into the 40's I turn the heat lamp on. The tractor is only half covered with thick rubber type stuff. THe rest is open so we cover it with a sheet to keep drafts off. I would be so worried about the little ones, but it has worked for you?

Also, I've had a 5 gallon bucket of feed fermenting since Mon. night. It is in my utility room which is probably the warmest room right now, about 70*. It hasn't started to foam or bubble or anything. It might just be starting to smell a little sweeter. Can I start feeding it to them tonight, or should I wait until I'm sure it is in full fermentation? I'm stirring it 2x's a day. I used about 1/2 - 2/3 c acv and about a cup of plain greek yogurt.
that pic with those chicks in the trough is just sooo stinkin' cute. :)
 
I have heard several bad stories about chicks being pecked on the head all the way down to the skull (a real bloody mess) when placed with adult chickens. A friend of mine also had that happen to some chicks and they weren't real young, seems like 6 weeks. She said it happened in just a few minutes.

I probably shouldn't put my 2 cents in but......I have an Australorp (Stretch) who hatched 3 chicks. She had her nest in the coop. I put up a temporary fence to block the hens from bothering her. After the chicks hatched, she was wanting out of there after 3 days. I opened the fence up, and she didn't wander too far from the coop. She didn't let anyone near her or the chicks. As they got older, she would wander a little bit farther every day. At feeding time, guess who ate first? YEP, Stretch and her chicks. It was like watching a queen and her children coming down the aisle.

Lisa :)
 
I probably shouldn't put my 2 cents in but......I have an Australorp (Stretch) who hatched 3 chicks. She had her nest in the coop. I put up a temporary fence to block the hens from bothering her. After the chicks hatched, she was wanting out of there after 3 days. I opened the fence up, and she didn't wander too far from the coop. She didn't let anyone near her or the chicks. As they got older, she would wander a little bit farther every day. At feeding time, guess who ate first? YEP, Stretch and her chicks. It was like watching a queen and her children coming down the aisle.

Lisa :)

How fun! I just love broodies and their chicks!
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Mammas take such good care of their babies!
 
I probably shouldn't put my 2 cents in but......I have an Australorp (Stretch) who hatched 3 chicks.  She had her nest in the coop.  I put up a temporary fence to block the hens from bothering her.  After the chicks hatched, she was wanting out of there after 3 days.  I opened the fence up, and she didn't wander too far from the coop.  She didn't let anyone near her or the chicks.  As they got older, she would wander a little bit farther every day.  At feeding time, guess who ate first?  YEP, Stretch and her chicks.  It was like watching a queen and her children coming down the aisle. 

Lisa :)

My broody and her three chicks are in the brooder with the lid open to give her room (in my garage). They are not big enough to get out and I guess as long as they don't get out she will stay in. There are all kinds of things she could meddle in out there but she is just staying in the brooder with them - plumb cute! lol

@Bee... thanks for the info! :)
 
Mine's been confined to their run and pen this week due to me spraying some round up to kill weeds and more weeds. Before people go to scolding me about it, I had NO CHOICE but to do this because I already had the stuff for a few years now and I HAD to do something or be taken over by the weeds in the flower beds and around the house. As it were the weeds close to where company comes in our door was over knee high and I just cannot weed it because I don't have the energy to pull them up nor do I need to be doing it with a ruptured disk in my back. Just had NO choice but to do it. I would have went broke trying to buy enough vinegar to do what I did. Like it was I just rode around on my lawn mower spraying the high weeds and grass.
Anyway they have been confined to their pen and run and yesterday we got 4-5 eggs from them. So that lets me know more of my RIR hens are laying. My Aussies will be 6 months old the 9th of Nov. so they should start any day to. So far today though we haven't gotten any eggs. By this time yesterday we had 2-3.

I think they're very confused because it's really cloudy here today and they were still on their roost at like 12 today. lol Hubby said we might have to do a light but IF I did that I wouldn't want to do it from now until spring since they need a break from laying.
 
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Been pouring the rain here all day and mine have been out in it all day foraging. Going to be in the low 30s tonight and the air is damp and chilled right now....time to lower the flaps on the hoop coop. First step towards winterizing.

The next nice day, I'll be doing other adjustments to start providing windbreaks in the coop and also provide more natural lighting.
 
I feed mine the same at all times..so if I use chick starter in the FF, the whole flock gets chick starter and whole grains to cut the richness of it. When the chick starter is gone, it's back to layer mash and whole grains. Everybody eats the same thing and it simplifies things a good bit. I don't feed separately, I just put out enough that the younger birds can clean up what the older birds leave behind and feed in a long trough style feeder so they can space out along the trough.

The only way you could feed separately in that situation is to build a creep feeder as shown on the previous page but I don't mess with such things...I would if my birds were confined to a coop and run situation though. As it is, the chicks have ample time and opportunity to eat when the big birds have finished and this gives them their first lesson in the pecking order...wait your turn.
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Sorry for all the questions, but the only whole grain I have is oats right now. Do I mix it with the chickstarter? I also mixed scratch and oats in with my layer mash ff. Since I have already started the layer mash mix, should I mix the chickstarter with the layer mash? And is any whole grain ok to use? We are going to use vinyl gutter to make the feeding troughs. We are trying to simplify our feeding and this sounds wonderful!!
 
Yes to all that....really, any combination of that is going to be fine for your birds. The chick starter is higher protein than I regularly feed, so I don't feel too badly about cutting it down a bit with layer ration and a little whole grains, or just with some whole grains. As long as at least half of their daily ration is a balanced diet, such as the layer or chick starter, it doesn't matter what else you add as long as you don't go up on proteins...their little bodies can only metabolize so much protein before it can affect their body systems, IMO.
 

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