Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

[Bitterroot]

It threw me for a loop as well. I mean there are 180+ pages with nothing but good about FF. I think the idiot bell in my head just went off. I am going to split my meat birds up into 2 groups one with FF and one without. When I get them I will post pictures and show my results from start to finish

He works for a feed company of course he is going to want you to buy more feed not less….. I think I need to smack myself upside the head.

Check out this thread here:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/672135/meatie-experiment-ff-vs-crumbles
The OP did something very similar.

In the end, to each their own.

 

[yinepu]

Like I stated I was looking for proof from a professional stand point. If FF was the great thing everyone is talking about then there would be allot more stuff regarding it.

For me and my stand point and for the fact I will only have 18 layers and about 30-45 broilers this year it is easier for me to feed standard feed. Each person is different.

For instance my time is once every 3 days about 5 minutes filling the auto feeder and once every 2 weeks about 5 minutes filling the waterbarrels. So for me to go out there every day a few times is not worth my time.

I go out when I get out of work to collect eggs that is about it maybe 1 hour a week in total.

for me my savings was this past weekend when I bought 20 bags (50 pounds each) at a show for 9.99 each VS the normal price of 17.99 so I saved more by buying at this sale then I would with FF. those 20 bags should last me thru the summer

Ok I am out of this topic now. Sorry to bother anyone but for me FF is a no go.

Just one more question then.

IF FF was such a good thing, then why is 90% of anytihng about it on the web comes from this site and it is not in any books or anything regarding it?

That is my only question

Each to their own, no need to defend what you believe as each are different. I just wanted proof

OK move on as I am for me not worth my time, for you maybe. not everyone is going to agree and there is nothing wrong with that.

I am just glad I found proof before doing it

so your proof that it is bad is based on one study? (I may have missed it if you posted you had more links to studies from somewhere else.. sorry if I did)

Just a thought...
Perhaps try googling "benefits of fermented food".. when I did that I found lots of links.. and they were not all BYC links either...
I would think that if it is beneficial for other life forms that it would also be beneficial to poultry.

granted it's a "to each his own" sort of thing.. but i would hate for you to completely disregard fermented food for birds when there are other studies on fermented food in general that point to it having lots of benefits.
Since a single study can (and often times is flawed).. maybe looking at fermented food as a whole would be more advantageous over a single study.. hopefully over time more studies will be done regarding fermented feed for livestock (poultry in particular).. but for now only one doesn't hold much weight especially when so many people have found benefits for their animals.. and I haven't yet seen anyone on here (or anywhere else on the web other than the study you mentioned) that can confirm the aggression issue or poor feathering conditions.

 

[Mikedero]

so your proof that it is bad is based on one study? (I may have missed it if you posted you had more links to studies from somewhere else.. sorry if I did)

Just a thought...
Perhaps try googling "benefits of fermented food".. when I did that I found lots of links.. and they were not all BYC links either...
I would think that if it is beneficial for other life forms that it would also be beneficial to poultry.

granted it's a "to each his own" sort of thing.. but i would hate for you to completely disregard fermented food for birds when there are other studies on fermented food in general that point to it having lots of benefits.
Since a single study can (and often times is flawed).. maybe looking at fermented food as a whole would be more advantageous over a single study.. hopefully over time more studies will be done regarding fermented feed for livestock (poultry in particular).. but for now only one doesn't hold much weight especially when so many people have found benefits for their animals.. and I haven't yet seen anyone on here (or anywhere else on the web other than the study you mentioned) that can confirm the aggression issue or poor feathering conditions.

Now did they track their progress? did they keep records or just off the hip type of stuff. the only benifits Ihear of is back yard hobby people NO true studies other then the one I posted. but
Look at this thread

All I am stating is that if it is such a great idea and SO much better then why is it not common practice? which it is not. For me it is like dog and cat food some people will give their pets dry food or wet food you will find both sides state theirs is better and all I was looking for is proof. Proof because my time is worth more then savings a few ounces of feed or for that matter a few bags of feed.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/672135/meatie-experiment-ff-vs-crumbles

this thread proved it more to me then the oter study. I just read thru all 10 pages and he did a good job with the study well done.

This is the type of info Iw as looking for. he did a study and it was cheaper to feed regular feed then FF. and only a slightly difference in weight gain.

 

[Mikedero]

you might want to try googling "benefits of chicken fermented feed"

when you do that the first 3 is all from this site, the next one is the study I posted then the next few pages are blogs and forum boards.

 

[Costa Rica Art]

Again not proven just a local backyard study not proof. besides the poster is a backyardchicken member

Did you read all the references at the bottoms of all of the 4 main articles? There were studies done by many people and different originations. I've have had opportunities to read some of the reference books also. I know that the lady is a backyardchicken member, she has posted but refrains from having to post all of the references that she has on this site.

 

[yinepu]

Quote:
Well.. first of all I don't know who The people are that you are asking me if they tracked the progress... people who use fermented feed for their chickens?.. or people who use fermented foods for themselves?.. first of all that's a question I can't answer plainly because there are a lot of people out there who do both.. and since I haven't read every single link on the internet I don't know who all kept records of what.. which wasn't my point anyway.. i was only suggesting that you look into fermented food AS A WHOLE and NOT just for poultry.

As to why everyone doesn't do it..
well.. first not everyone has heard of it..
some people are also just stuck in their way of doing things and don't want to try anything new
for example: Emu meat has been proven to be better for you that beef.. but the bottom fell out of the emu meat industry because the average person just wasn't ready to embrace an alternative meat source because they had been brought up to eat beef instead.. so emu meat was too exotic and scary
Some people also get kickback from the feed industry.. asking them to try a method which would (in the end if everyone were to do it ) would hurt Monsanto plus other grain producers .. naturally they will refuse
Poultry industry (meat birds, broiler industry) contracts call for the producer to feed the food that is in their contract.. usually bought from the company which supplies the chicks as well as processes them for meat.. they have set ways of doing things and do not want to change them since change is "scary" and not profitable (feed storage and automatic feeders would all have to be changed resulting in more cost.. plus many also own stock in Monsanto. You will find that 99% of the broiler producers can not feed anything other than what is stated in their contract.. and since they are being charged for the feed supplied by the company that holds their contract ..naturally the holders of those contracts want as much profit off of each bird as possible. so cutting back on feed by fermenting it would cost them profit they make off of the farmers who grow out the birds.

you might want to try googling "benefits of chicken fermented feed"

when you do that the first 3 is all from this site, the next one is the study I posted then the next few pages are blogs and forum boards.

omit the "chicken" from your search

google "BENEFITS OF FERMENTED FOOD" as I stated in my post.. I did NOT suggest you google "benefits of CHICKEN fermented food"

 

[Kilsharion]

**Sighs** There goes my bloody promise to myself to not touch my CCs this year.....I bought the abstract and am reading it, now. I, honestly, have issues believing they didn't foul their fermentation given some of the results they listed; but, I'll read the entire thing and see what it has to say. Given that I've read two scientific memos on cholesterol and egg yolks in the last week - each one being diametrically opposed to the other.....well, basing a decision on the conclusions of a singular experiment seems faulty. **goes off to read**

 

[yinepu]

**Sighs** There goes my bloody promise to myself to not touch my CCs this year.....I bought the abstract and am reading it, now. I, honestly, have issues believing they didn't foul their fermentation given some of the results they listed; but, I'll read the entire thing and see what it has to say. Given that I've read two scientific memos on cholesterol and egg yolks in the last week - each one being diametrically opposed to the other.....well, basing a decision on the conclusions of a singular experiment seems faulty. **goes off to read**

lol.. i can tell you now.. the egg study written / backed by big pharma is biased!

 

[Kjordanov]

I googled "benefits of fermented feed" and came up with the same article as Miledero, I don't think it matters what animal it is, the feed should still have the same amount of nutritional values. But I personally am not going to feed it fermented. This is what I am doing

Sprouting seeds as healthy treats for my chickens.

 

[Noncentzter]

I've been fermenting my chicken feed for about one year now and thought I'd try fermenting the dog food. The #1 reason is because they are getting older and figured the softer food would be better for them and #2 hoping for better "gut" benefits. We gave the dogs their first helping of it yesterday...OMG, they loved it!