Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

[perchie.girl]

Quote: normal gestation for horse is between eleven and twelve months... Because they can decide to wait.... LOL. I had a mare decide to wait till I went in for scheduled surgery.

And I had planned on being there when the little guy was born.... LOL.

BTW she waited for a full moon....

deb "whos son got his first job today..... Woo HOO"

 

[Lacy Blues]

Yep, mine wasn't due to foal until sometime early January. I went to visit my parents over Christmas and while I was gone, our area (El Paso, Texas) had a freak snow storm and she had that foal while I was gone! What a brat! I wanted to be there for mine too.

By the way, if anybody needs a good laugh, click on this:

I suggest you go to the bathroom FIRST though.

 

[LindaB220]

I don't know that they poop less on FF, they just poop less undigested matter. I see the same amounts of poop, though the poop seems to have more fine particles and breaks up rather easily in your hand whereas regular poop from dry feeds seems more sticky and gooey. In the studies it states they have less "dry matter" in the feces but I think they mean undigested grains because I see the same amounts of poop from my birds.

It also seems to break down in the bedding like magic...I can turn the bedding over on top of some poop under the roosts and then try to find it the next day and it seems to have disappeared. I think the bugs just come and zip it out of there or it just crumbles up into a soil consistency because it just is gone.

Gotcha!

 

[Beekissed]

Poor ol' cows! Gotta feel sorry for them with all that screaming, guys holding their heads, mass confusion and then someone trying to milk them.....I'd be bucking around too!

Sort of reminds me of my homesteading days and my dad trying to milk a cow named Lady..who was a perfect lady until someone actually got milk from a teat and then she turned into a bucking bronco..each and every single time. We had to tie her head, her legs, and her tail to even get the job done and even then she would keep trying to fall down so that no one could reach her teats.

That's why Dad was in this awkward pose to milk her...had to think fast and be ready for the rodeo! You can just barely see the rope on her tail and the kickers on her legs in this pic. He's actually pressing his head into her side to get her to stop trying to fall down to avoid being milked! The old nag! She was a real sweety any other time.

 

[Lacy Blues]

I'll never forget the first time I saw a wild cow milking contest at a local rodeo. I never laughed so hard in my life! Not at the cows' pain but at the fools who were in there getting beat up and kicked around by a cow!

I think most of them had to have been drunk to even attempt such a thing!

 

[Triple Willow]

So that is hard to answer because in general livers aren't hard. I think of gizzards as hard, livers are the softest organ. Having said that, the liver felt totally normal compared to all the other healthy livers I have handled from rabbits, chickens, and even a young locally farmed pig. You could squeeze it lightly or slice it with a decent knife and it would not crumble or mush. On the other hand, the yellow liver disintegrated into several peices as I removed it from the body cavity. It seemed to come apart just from rubbing it lightly. I am not sure how an animal can live with that inside of its body, something so fragile it would crumble if the gizzard ever knocked into it a little rough. It is a mystery to me!

Bee, the chicken soup was great! Lots of flavor!

Yeah the yellow one was the one I was asking about. It sounds like it had a fatty liver. They are usually enlarged and will just mush easily in your hand. A lot of times the spleen is enlarged too. I was wondering if it was a fatty liver or cirrhosis. Livers with cirrhosis are hard (and also cream colored), really hard. I have seen some so hard that you could not even mash a hole in it with your fingers.

 

[Beekissed]

YUMMY

 

[BCMaraniac]

Yeah the yellow one was the one I was asking about. It sounds like it had a fatty liver. They are usually enlarged and will just mush easily in your hand. A lot of times the spleen is enlarged too. I was wondering if it was a fatty liver or cirrhosis. Livers with cirrhosis are hard (and also cream colored), really hard. I have seen some so hard that you could not even mash a hole in it with your fingers.

People get fatty livers......majority of people who have it are overweight.....was it a fat bird?

 

[Triple Willow]

People get fatty livers......majority of people who have it are overweight.....was it a fat bird?

The ones I have seen are in the 24 hour/day fed CX. The birds and their livers are pushed to the max.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

Te, these were 24/7 CXs.... The only reason they made it this far was because that feed was dry scratch an severely nutritionally incomplete so they never developed all the size of the a normal CX. There was not an exceptional amount of fat on them, though.