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[kuntrygirl]

From what I was told by Ada (Alabama dept of Ag,), using baytril can be cause for your npip cert to be pulled. The ban is worded so any use in any poultry bird is banned. Pet bird has a very descriptive definitions, but chickens and turkeys are considered poultry not pets. Pet bird include parrots ect. Its yalls call but I will not even purchase anything from a farm or individual that uses baytril at all.

Added note: The FDA can order all your birds confiscated and or destroyed if baytril use is suspected.
Is it worth that risk to you? It isn't to me. Plenty of other drugs that work well that are NOT banned.

Finally heard back from the person who is over the NPIP testing in my state. He said this (using Baytril) does not apply to my state. NPIP certification cannot be pulled if a person (non-commercial) uses Baytril in my state. He said that each state has their own requirements.

The following is what he said about revocation of NPIP in my state.

Revocation of NPIP status can be for failure to test, or testing positive or failure to keep proper records of sales/purchases or maintaining an unsanitary facility.

 

[casportpony]

Finally heard back from the person who is over the NPIP testing in my state. He said this (using Baytril) does not apply to my state. NPIP certification cannot be pulled if a person (non-commercial) uses Baytril in my state. He said that each state has their own requirements.
The following is what he said about revocation of NPIP in my state.

You were right... My roommate found some info that says NPIP is more of a state "thing", not federal. I stand corrected!

 

[kuntrygirl]

Finally heard back from the person who is over the NPIP testing in my state. He said this (using Baytril) does not apply to my state. NPIP certification cannot be pulled if a person (non-commercial) uses Baytril in my state. He said that each state has their own requirements.
The following is what he said about revocation of NPIP in my state.

You were right... My roommate found some info that says NPIP is more of a state "thing", not federal. I stand corrected!

I feel much better after talking to the HEAD guy at our state level and he said that we are "safe" as far as our (Louisiana) NPIP certification/Baytril or banned drugs.

 

[MarineCorpFarmr]

Well Alabama's rules are definatly different, but imo it is better. The drugs are banned for a reason. Do I think there should be consequences if you are npip and use the banned drugs, yes I do. I do believe fully that it should be an offence severe enough to pull npip cert over. The question i have now is will you continue to keep the banned drug on premises? These are federally banned drugs, therefore that directly trumps ANY states views on this.

 

[MarineCorpFarmr]

Finally heard back from the person who is over the NPIP testing in my state. He said this (using Baytril) does not apply to my state. NPIP certification cannot be pulled if a person (non-commercial) uses Baytril in my state. He said that each state has their own requirements.
The following is what he said about revocation of NPIP in my state.

Thats just npip in your state, did you get informed about what happens if your caught using a banned drug? You also sell your poults. By definition in my state that's means you fall into the commercial category. Hate to tell you, baytril is banned at the federal level. States cannot over ride this period. So yes using baytril by federal law does apply to you and your state.

 

[MarineCorpFarmr]

Kgurl I'm on the phone with the fda right now, As i said your state cannot ok the use of a federally banned drug. Baytril is banned for use in all poultry, not just commercial producers. Your state may not pull your npip for it, but the fda claims they can pull it, and fine you for its use. As far as the feds go, chickens and turkeys are poultry not considered pets, even if you let them live in your house. Had a good laugh with the fda agent about chicken diapers. To each their own risk i suppose, But do you really feel baytril is worth trying to war with the feds over? This is not a new ban either. Called local and a couple out of state vets as well. They wont perscribe it unless they see the bird, and i asked "well my pet bird is a turkey" They all said they could not give me baytril, there are plenty of other effective drugs available.

 

[kuntrygirl]

Finally heard back from the person who is over the NPIP testing in my state. He said this (using Baytril) does not apply to my state. NPIP certification cannot be pulled if a person (non-commercial) uses Baytril in my state. He said that each state has their own requirements.

The following is what he said about revocation of NPIP in my state.

Thats just npip in your state, did you get informed about what happens if your caught using a banned drug? You also sell your poults. By definition in my state that's means you fall into the commercial category. Hate to tell you, baytril is banned at the federal level. States cannot over ride this period. So yes using baytril by federal law does apply to you and your state.

My tom has not been a breeder for 3 years, so there are no poults from him to sell.

 

[kuntrygirl]

Kgurl I'm on the phone with the fda right now, As i said your state cannot ok the use of a federally banned drug. Baytril is banned for use in all poultry, not just commercial producers. Your state may not pull your npip for it, but the fda claims they can pull it, and fine you for its use. As far as the feds go, chickens and turkeys are poultry not considered pets, even if you let them live in your house. Had a good laugh with the fda agent about chicken diapers. To each their own risk i suppose, But do you really feel baytril is worth trying to war with the feds over? This is not a new ban either. Called local and a couple out of state vets as well. They wont perscribe it unless they see the bird, and i asked "well my pet bird is a turkey" They all said they could not give me baytril, there are plenty of other effective drugs available.

Who said my state approved a banned drug?

 

[MarineCorpFarmr]

My tom has not been a breeder for 3 years, so there are no poults from him to sell.

The FDA's decision to remove Baytril from use in poultry took take effect September 12, 2005. Any use in poultry after this date is a violation of fda banned drug use. Again federally, not state.

 

[kuntrygirl]

I wonder what the feds say about other drugs that are NOT approved for poultry and people use these OTC drugs to help their chickens?

There are several OTC meds that are labeled for cattle, etc and are not labeled for the use in poultry and soooooooooooo many people use these drugs and they breed and sell poultry. Go figure.