I have Horseman and Siliasian Pouter Pigeons for sale. They are $40.00 a pair plus shipping. I will be at the NYBS in Lousiville Ky this weekend and will take there for you. Very good flyers. I have open loft all year and they are a sight to see in the air. Only lost one to a hawk. I lose more homers to hawks then the pouters. Flying Pouters are a very good barnyard pigeon because of their actions.Pick up at my home is also possible. Call Gary at 616-688-5522 for more info.