Fox killed my chicken, rooster did nothing?

I know they had no chance against the fox. I guess I was just angry at myself for letting it happen and taking it out on the boys. Trying to place blame where it doesn't belong. i'm thankful i at least saved the rest from the fox getting them. He could have taken them all that night. I'm not letting them out until we either catch this fox(unlikely) he hasn't returned or quickly build this fence. They've free ranged their whole lives so I feel guilty pinning them up. I want to look into this electric fence but would it be dangerous to harmless animals? Have a stray cat around here, she doesn't bother the chickens though. I never called the guy about my roos, I'm just going to try a little bit longer with them. Kids are squittish of them but they don't want to send them away. I'll just have to keep my 'swat' stick handy lol. If nothing changes, they will be rehomed.
If you want to try to settle them down, please read this article by member Beekissed. I don't know how old your kids are, but if they're old enough, they should try it, too. One person taming a rooster will often just make that rooster respect them, but not necessarily other people. Here's the article:
Here's a post written by Beekissed regarding dealing with problem birds of any gender.

I'm going to give you a clue on "rooster speak"....holding him down doesn't mean anything to him. If you'll watch how roosters interact between dominant ones and subordinate ones, there is rarely any, if ever, holding a bird down for a long time when there is an altercation. There is very quick flogging, gripping by the back of the head and flinging him away or getting him down and giving some savage pecking to the back of the head or neck. No holding him down and nothing else. That's a rooster on a hen maneuver, not rooster on rooster.

Because your rooster is attacking you, you are the subordinate in this picture. You are getting dominated by your bird simply because you are walking where a subordinate isn't supposed to be walking when a dominant is in the area. What you never see is a dominant rooster getting attacked by a subordinate rooster unless there is going to be a definite shift in power, at which time the sub will challenge the dom and win...or lose. So far you are losing and not even challenging.

If you want to win this battle, you must go on the offensive, not the defensive. He who attacks first, and is still claiming the area when the other guy leaves it, is the winner. Some people never have to go on the offensive because their movements in the coop are so decisive that they move and act like a dominant and a 2 ft. rooster is smart enough to recognize a dominant attitude and behavior...which is likely why he's never attacked your husband. Most men move more decisively than do women and children and they rarely step around a bird, but walk through them.

Carrying him around also doesn't mean anything to him...it just doesn't translate at all. His environment is that coop and run floor and that's where you need to speak to him, in a language he understands. Because they are quick on their feet and can evade you, you need a training tool like a long, limber, supple rod of some kind...cutting a nice switch from a shrub or tree that will lengthen your reach by 5 ft. really helps in this. Don't use a rake or broom because they are too clumsy and stiff and can put the hurts on the guy when you don't really mean to.

When you enter your coop, walk with decisive movements and walk directly towards your rooster. Move him away from the feeder and the rest of the flock and keep a slow, determined pressure on him until he leaves the coop. The stick will help you guide him. Then...wait patiently while he gets his bird mind around what just happened. He will try to come back in the coop...let him. When he gets a good bit into that coop, take your switch and give him a good smack on the fluffy feathers under his tail if you can aim it well. If you cannot, just smack the floor near him very hard and fast until he hops and runs and keep at it until he leaves the coop once again. Repeat this process until he is too wary to come back in the coop.

Feed your hens. When he tries to come to the feeder, you "attack" him with the switch...smack the wall by the pop door just as he tries to enter. If he makes it inside, pursue him with the stick either smacking the floor or tapping him on the back or the head until he leaves in a hurry. Make him stay outside while you sit there and enjoy watching your hens eat. Use the stick to keep him from the flock..just him. Don't worry about the hens running and getting excited when this is happening...they will get over it. This is for the future of your flock and your management of it.

When the hens have had a good tucker....leave the coop and let him come back in. Go out later and walk through that flock and use your legs to scatter birds if they get in your way...top roosters do not step to one side for any other bird in the flock. You shouldn't either. Take your stick and startle him with a smack on the floor next to him when he is least expecting it...make that bird jump and RUN. Make him so nervous around you that he is always looking over his shoulder and trying to get out of your way. THAT'S how he needs to be from now on in your lives together. Forget about pets or cuddles...this is a language and behavior he understands. You can hand feed him and such later...right now you need to establish that when you move, he moves...away. When you turn your back, he doesn't move towards you...ever.

Then test him...take your stick along, move around in the coop, bend over with your back turned to him, feed, water, etc....but keep one eye on that rooster. If he even makes one tiny step in your direction or in your "zone", go on the attack and run him clear on out of the coop. Then keep him out while everyone else is eating.

THAT'S how a dominant rooster treats a subordinate. They don't let them crow, mate or even eat in their space. If the subordinate knows his place and watches over his shoulder a lot, he may get to come and eat while the other rooster is at the feeder...but he doesn't ever relax if he knows what is good for him. At any given time the dominant will run him off of that feed and he knows it, so he eats with one eye toward the door. If he feels the need to crow, it's not usually where the dom can reach him...maybe across the yard.

If your rooster crows while you are there, move towards him and keep on the pressure until he stops. He doesn't get to crow while you are there. He can crow later...not while you are there.

It all sounds time consuming but it really isn't...shouldn't take more than minutes for each lesson and you can learn a lot as you go along. And it can be fun if you venture into it with the right attitude....this is rooster training that really works if you do it correctly. This can work on strange roosters, multiple roosters and even old roosters...they can all learn. You rule the coop...now act like it. Carrying is for babies...you have a full grown rooster on your hands, not a baby.

Now, when she says to "swat" them, it doesn't mean to beat them into submission. Your kids need to understand this (not because I think your kids would intentionally be mean to them, but because I know when one is scared, accidents can happen). Go on the offensive. Don't wait for them to attack first. Move with confidence. Teach your kids to do also. If, after a few weeks, the roosters don't get it, send them down the road or to the freezer. You are the mama. You get to make the decisions. It's important for kids to learn good flock management, and that sometimes chicken math also means subtraction. Maybe let the kids help you look for the next one if you ditch the two roosters you have.
 
You can't reform those roosters to be safe around your children! You can't! You may be able to manage them for you, but each individual human wll need to earn their respect/ fear/ avoidance behavior. Children just can't do it, and they are not going to be happy with this chicken experience, at best. It's possible for a child to loose an eye, have nasty wounds on the face, nothing that's good for them.
Electric fencing is safe; every critter will try it ONCE and then leave it alone. Be sure to set it up right. Howard E has good advice on this site, and so does Premier1supplies.com, both in their catalog, and on the phone.
Mary
 
You can't reform those roosters to be safe around your children! You can't! You may be able to manage them for you, but each individual human wll need to earn their respect/ fear/ avoidance behavior. Children just can't do it, and they are not going to be happy with this chicken experience, at best. It's possible for a child to loose an eye, have nasty wounds on the face, nothing that's good for them.
Electric fencing is safe; every critter will try it ONCE and then leave it alone. Be sure to set it up right. Howard E has good advice on this site, and so does Premier1supplies.com, both in their catalog, and on the phone.
Mary
While I agree with you Mary, I figured if the OP was determined to give these roosters a chance, I'd try to give her some tools to work with. I wouldn't keep a rooster that attacks my kids either.

OP, Mary is right about the electric fence. It doesn't harm the animals - just scares/surprises them. And depending on how old your kids are, you can unplug it when they go out to play (if you have toddlers or preschoolers, I would do this), or they will learn from experience not to touch the fence. I'm a big believer in natural consequences when it's not going to permanently damage them. My 3 boys all grew up with electric fence that held in horses and cattle. They learned.
 
While I agree with you Mary, I figured if the OP was determined to give these roosters a chance, I'd try to give her some tools to work with. I wouldn't keep a rooster that attacks my kids either.

OP, Mary is right about the electric fence. It doesn't harm the animals - just scares/surprises them. And depending on how old your kids are, you can unplug it when they go out to play (if you have toddlers or preschoolers, I would do this), or they will learn from experience not to touch the fence. I'm a big believer in natural consequences when it's not going to permanently damage them. My 3 boys all grew up with electric fence that held in horses and cattle. They learned.
Man.. I feel like a crappy mom now. Obviously my children come first. Don't want to keep around something that has it out for them or me. Just thought MAYBE we could work with them and put a stop to the behavior? Maybe I'm just naive, I don't know. It may be a lost cause. Now days whenever we're outside, I'm right there to make sure they don't get too close to my kids. Stick in tow. I look like Gandalf The Grey with my big stick. My kids are 6, 8, and 12.
 
If you want to try to settle them down, please read this article by member Beekissed. I don't know how old your kids are, but if they're old enough, they should try it, too. One person taming a rooster will often just make that rooster respect them, but not necessarily other people. Here's the article:
Here's a post written by Beekissed regarding dealing with problem birds of any gender.

I'm going to give you a clue on "rooster speak"....holding him down doesn't mean anything to him. If you'll watch how roosters interact between dominant ones and subordinate ones, there is rarely any, if ever, holding a bird down for a long time when there is an altercation. There is very quick flogging, gripping by the back of the head and flinging him away or getting him down and giving some savage pecking to the back of the head or neck. No holding him down and nothing else. That's a rooster on a hen maneuver, not rooster on rooster.

Because your rooster is attacking you, you are the subordinate in this picture. You are getting dominated by your bird simply because you are walking where a subordinate isn't supposed to be walking when a dominant is in the area. What you never see is a dominant rooster getting attacked by a subordinate rooster unless there is going to be a definite shift in power, at which time the sub will challenge the dom and win...or lose. So far you are losing and not even challenging.

If you want to win this battle, you must go on the offensive, not the defensive. He who attacks first, and is still claiming the area when the other guy leaves it, is the winner. Some people never have to go on the offensive because their movements in the coop are so decisive that they move and act like a dominant and a 2 ft. rooster is smart enough to recognize a dominant attitude and behavior...which is likely why he's never attacked your husband. Most men move more decisively than do women and children and they rarely step around a bird, but walk through them.

Carrying him around also doesn't mean anything to him...it just doesn't translate at all. His environment is that coop and run floor and that's where you need to speak to him, in a language he understands. Because they are quick on their feet and can evade you, you need a training tool like a long, limber, supple rod of some kind...cutting a nice switch from a shrub or tree that will lengthen your reach by 5 ft. really helps in this. Don't use a rake or broom because they are too clumsy and stiff and can put the hurts on the guy when you don't really mean to.

When you enter your coop, walk with decisive movements and walk directly towards your rooster. Move him away from the feeder and the rest of the flock and keep a slow, determined pressure on him until he leaves the coop. The stick will help you guide him. Then...wait patiently while he gets his bird mind around what just happened. He will try to come back in the coop...let him. When he gets a good bit into that coop, take your switch and give him a good smack on the fluffy feathers under his tail if you can aim it well. If you cannot, just smack the floor near him very hard and fast until he hops and runs and keep at it until he leaves the coop once again. Repeat this process until he is too wary to come back in the coop.

Feed your hens. When he tries to come to the feeder, you "attack" him with the switch...smack the wall by the pop door just as he tries to enter. If he makes it inside, pursue him with the stick either smacking the floor or tapping him on the back or the head until he leaves in a hurry. Make him stay outside while you sit there and enjoy watching your hens eat. Use the stick to keep him from the flock..just him. Don't worry about the hens running and getting excited when this is happening...they will get over it. This is for the future of your flock and your management of it.

When the hens have had a good tucker....leave the coop and let him come back in. Go out later and walk through that flock and use your legs to scatter birds if they get in your way...top roosters do not step to one side for any other bird in the flock. You shouldn't either. Take your stick and startle him with a smack on the floor next to him when he is least expecting it...make that bird jump and RUN. Make him so nervous around you that he is always looking over his shoulder and trying to get out of your way. THAT'S how he needs to be from now on in your lives together. Forget about pets or cuddles...this is a language and behavior he understands. You can hand feed him and such later...right now you need to establish that when you move, he moves...away. When you turn your back, he doesn't move towards you...ever.

Then test him...take your stick along, move around in the coop, bend over with your back turned to him, feed, water, etc....but keep one eye on that rooster. If he even makes one tiny step in your direction or in your "zone", go on the attack and run him clear on out of the coop. Then keep him out while everyone else is eating.

THAT'S how a dominant rooster treats a subordinate. They don't let them crow, mate or even eat in their space. If the subordinate knows his place and watches over his shoulder a lot, he may get to come and eat while the other rooster is at the feeder...but he doesn't ever relax if he knows what is good for him. At any given time the dominant will run him off of that feed and he knows it, so he eats with one eye toward the door. If he feels the need to crow, it's not usually where the dom can reach him...maybe across the yard.

If your rooster crows while you are there, move towards him and keep on the pressure until he stops. He doesn't get to crow while you are there. He can crow later...not while you are there.

It all sounds time consuming but it really isn't...shouldn't take more than minutes for each lesson and you can learn a lot as you go along. And it can be fun if you venture into it with the right attitude....this is rooster training that really works if you do it correctly. This can work on strange roosters, multiple roosters and even old roosters...they can all learn. You rule the coop...now act like it. Carrying is for babies...you have a full grown rooster on your hands, not a baby.

Now, when she says to "swat" them, it doesn't mean to beat them into submission. Your kids need to understand this (not because I think your kids would intentionally be mean to them, but because I know when one is scared, accidents can happen). Go on the offensive. Don't wait for them to attack first. Move with confidence. Teach your kids to do also. If, after a few weeks, the roosters don't get it, send them down the road or to the freezer. You are the mama. You get to make the decisions. It's important for kids to learn good flock management, and that sometimes chicken math also means subtraction. Maybe let the kids help you look for the next one if you ditch the two roosters you have.
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In case it helps, here's my experiences with aggressive roosters using pretty near that method, plus a few tweaks and their explanations.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/is-it-worth-it.1217178/page-13#post-19443949
I do agree that in your case chicken soup for your current roosters sounds like the best idea. Good luck!
 
Sorry I sounded so tough, but I hate to see kids hating the whole chicken experience over a rooster!
Maybe at age twelve, but at six or eight, no way!
Mary
You're not being tough, I need a kick in the butt. I tend to give things too many chances. just thought i could 'fix' them. The first time he swiped my kids leg should have been the end of him. Thankfully they haven't had any other chances at the boys because I'm right there. I appreciate the posts and all of the great information. I will let you guys know what happens. And wish me luck on the fox, if he ever decides to come out of his den. Got a long day of working ahead of me.
 
You're not a bad mom. A lot of people want to "give him another chance" and wish and hope that it was a one time thing, or they would "just be nice". It doesn't work that way. If we want nice roosters (there are varying opinions on what a "nice rooster is - for me, it's one that respects me and stays out of my space), we have to work at it and make that happen.

I think a good fence is going to be a better bet than trying to trap your fox. My DH used to be a trapper, and they can be tricky. (Of course, if it's hungry enough, it could be easier to catch.) Please do look into electric fencing. It can make a world of difference.
 
Some (most!) Ankle-Biting-Roosters can be toned down a bit by asserting your own dominance. I guess I'm lucky, 'cause my Nankin roos are alert, but very docile - they'll sit on my shoulder and walk on a leash. My sister's RIR, on the other hand, is a real piece of work. When he got "difficult," she picked him up and tucked him under her arm, head first while she fed his girls. He was NOT a happy fellow, but he doesn't rush her anymore!
 
Thanks guys. I know it's my fault. I should have been home and locked them up on time. I'm angry at myself for this. It was also my job to protect them and I failed. Watching her die before my eyes was a wake up call. A couple of weeks ago I had two go missing. Never found them. I locked them up for a long time, figured whatever it was would move on now that the food was gone. No, it came back. I'm going to buy fencing now and seal off an area so they can still 'free range' a bit but remain safe. Going to put net on top too. I'll spend what I need to so I can protect them more.
I left a trap out last night and everything, he didn't come back. :/
I once had a large dog come onto my property, just a fence away from the coop area. My chickens free range, and that day a few were out and about, but one was in the nest box. Long story short, one hen disappeared, and I thought the dog (or other loose animal) must have gotten her. I was devastated. But no less than 3 weeks later, as I was driving to work in the morning, there was my hen traveling along the road, about the equivalent of 6 blocks away! I'm not trying to get your hopes up unduly about the ones you haven't found yet, but some chickens are very good at taking care of themselves, even in hiding.
 

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